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G2099 Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:00 PM
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15 States Expand Right to Shoot in Self-Defense
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 08:01 PM by G2099
The Florida law, which served as a model for the others, gives people the right to use deadly force against intruders entering their homes. They no longer need to prove that they feared for their safety, only that the person they killed had intruded unlawfully and forcefully. The law also extends this principle to vehicles.

In addition, the law does away with an earlier requirement that a person attacked in a public place must retreat if possible. Now, that same person, in the law’s words, “has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force.” The law also forbids the arrest, detention or prosecution of the people covered by the law, and it prohibits civil suits against them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/07/us/07shoot.html?hp&ex=1155009600&en=3466fb01a2227803&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:01 PM
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1. The "Get Away With Murder" law....
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:47 PM
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10. I support killing 5000 unborn babies a day
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 09:23 PM by Retired AF Dem
I also support the right to kill any lowlife asshole that is trying to kill you.

"The individual citizen is his or her own first -- and last -- line of defense."
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 06:26 AM
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14. There's the keen grasp of reality one associates with the trigger-happy
What I've always found funniest is that the same specimens who shout that they have to run around heeled because they don't trust their fellow citizens (while boasting about what macho tough guys they are) constantly want to snivel that for some mysterious reason no-one trusts them.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:02 PM
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2. The right to fire katusha's all night at your neighbor's is safe!!!
Those people living here must be attacking us, or they would not be living next door.
That is the reason every good neighbor must keep a rocket launcher in his/her garage.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:05 PM
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3. Can this apply to people
who want to stop stem cell research and privitizing social security? I mean my survival is depending upon those two issues.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:19 PM
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5. isn't that what * base wanted, no stem cell research
how a person can profess to be a christain and be against this is beyond me.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:28 PM
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7. The trick is you need to get them to visit you at home.
:hi:


On topic, this sort of law does seem to set the stage for devolving government one step further, namely eliminating the need for so much public law enforcement.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:30 PM
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8. Hi my friend
Hey can this apply to my sisters bible group? The voted for the shrub. Note I am picking on republican voters here and not Christians in general.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:35 PM
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9. Hi back atcha! n/t
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:16 PM
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4. pandering to the gun nuts in an election year
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:21 PM
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6. Welcome to DU
there is no sacred cows here:rofl:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 06:27 AM
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15. Remember, when Cruella had to go diving for dipshits in Florida
earlier this year, she headed for a shooting gallery and a bunch of gun loonies.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/14/State/Harris_shoots_cameras.shtml
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 09:39 AM
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17. Welcome to DU - I am a gun owner and I agree with you
These laws don't significantly change the legal framework for use of deadly force, and do nothing to the morality. They are indeed efforts to pander to the far right.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:50 PM
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11. Personally, I'm fine with this.
Anyone that enters my home illegally has the right to be shot or have their face ripped off by a dog. As for the record, we don't even keep ammo for the guns in the house and we don't have a dog currently.

However, everybody has a legal right to defend their home from intruders. If someone enters a home illegally and gets shot, then tough luck.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 09:34 PM
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12. Any statistics on increases in homicides since Florida enacted
...the shoot in self-defense laws? I know this that some Florida people are talking more brazenly than before the laws were in place.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 09:41 PM
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13. Sounds good to me. nt
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 09:37 AM
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16. Florida law was not really the "model" for the others
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 09:41 AM by slackmaster
Besides differences in the details, the recent changes in state laws are not as drastic as the article might lead one to believe.

There never has been a duty to retreat in most states, and the presumption that fear of injury or death, at the hands of someone who has forcefully and unlawfully entered one's home, is reasonable has long been the standard in most states.

Here is the part of the California Penal Code that concerns use of deadly force. Anyone who bothers to actually read the new laws in Florida or any of the other states mentioned here will see some striking similarities:

197. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
any of the following cases:

1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a
felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,

2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person,
against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or
surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends
and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter
the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any
person therein; or,

3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a
wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such
person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to
commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent
danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the
person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant
or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was
committed; or,

4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and
means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in
lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving
the peace.

198. A bare fear of the commission of any of the offenses mentioned
in subdivisions 2 and 3 of Section 197, to prevent which homicide
may be lawfully committed, is not sufficient to justify it. But the
circumstances must be sufficient to excite the fears of a reasonable
person, and the party killing must have acted under the influence of
such fears alone.

198.5. Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or
great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to
have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great
bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that
force is used against another person, not a member of the family or
household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and
forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or
had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.


As used in this section, great bodily injury means a significant
or substantial physical injury.

199. The homicide appearing to be justifiable or excusable, the
person indicted must, upon his trial, be fully acquitted and
discharged.


(198.5 underlined by slackmaster for emphasis - compare that to Florida law for a good chuckle.)

Readers of the NYT deserve better journalism.
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