Since WWII, how many "democracies" has the US actually created?

[devilgrrl]

I can't think of any. Can anyone tell me?

[KingFlorez]

1. There aren't any

[devilgrrl]

6. But wait a minute. We spread freedom - where have you been?

Why do you hate America :sarcasm:

[Jara sang]

2. Let's see, Iran, Chile, Guatemala, Indonesia, Vietnam

Oh sorry, those were all pro-business fascist regimes.

[tsuki]

8. Beat me to it.

:hi:

[liberal N proud]

14. Don't forget Panama

NOT

[hfojvt]

21. Did you forget Poland?

We created a democracy there after Reagan won the cold war. and Czeckia, Slovakia, the DDR, Hungary.

[Jack from Charlotte]

26. Grenada? (nt)

*

[Lars39]

3. google list of countries US bombed.

It's a real eye-opener.

[Fridays Child]

10. A very informative site...

(from your suggested Google search) http://www.btinternet.com/~davidbeaumont/msf/listbombed.html

[jsamuel]

4. Bosnia???

[tocqueville]

11. sort of....

because the US air intervention ended the Serbian shelling. But the fight on the ground and later peace keeping with reconstruction was done by Europeans. The US presence on the ground in both Bosnia/Kosovo has been/is minimal and occurred after the fighting was over. Maybe at most 5% of the peace-keeping troops.

[MrPrax]

16. Actually isn't Bosnia

still technically run by NATO command?

"...The High Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina, with the Office of the High Representative (OHR) in Bosnia and Herzegovina, was created in 1995 immediately after the Dayton Peace Agreement to oversee the civilian implementation of this agreement. The High Representative and the OHR represent the international community through the United Nations. The High Representative is now also the European Union's Special Representative..."

High Representative

It's currently Germany's turn to run Bosnia.

[tocqueville]

23. you are absolutely right n/t

[MrPrax]

27. I wasn't sure...

I wasn't trying to pick a fight or anything...but I couldn't find ref. to a transfer, which I understand is something some of the Bosnians are complaining about...

But thank you...I like your posts BTW :-)

[sutz12]

5. Very short list.....

but I know of one that they are working real hard to destroy. :evilgrin:

[Rosemary2205]

7. None, we have destroyed a few though. nt

[Little Star]

9. Bush is workin' hard to destroy this one.

[cool user name]

12. Don't know the exact number ...

But we destroyed, either directly or indirectly, quite a few democracies.

Of course, it was because it was in America's interest to do so so that makes it alright. :sarcasm:

[izzie]

13. The problem is people want to do this them self.

Just look at what we did in Iran and where we are now. Countries come along on their own and I do not see why our country wants it any other way but for grabbing up goods in the countries we go to.

[mojowork_n]

15. Here's one googled link

It's a fairly lengthy summary, which still doesn't include some involvements-by-proxy -- and gets a few others a little turned around (as far as who was zoomin' who) -- but it's pretty complete:

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

And if you need to quibble about details, the writer gives all his contact info, so take it up with him.

[Pavulon]

17. Japan, W germany,..

S korea, italy,etc..
All were destroyed states. Marshall Plan.

[happyslug]

18. South Korea was a Military Dictatorship for decades

Till the People of South Korea forced the Military to step down in the 1980s. As to Japan and Germany, when Japan elected a Government we did not like in 1946 we forced a new Election. In Germany, Italy and Japan th right wing had been so discredited the US had to support any Creditable Democratic Government for the alternative in all three Countries were the Communists (i.e. the US had to choice but to back the Democratic movement in all three Countries for their was no other non-communistic alternatives). We should also note that Stalin told the Communists in those Countries (And France and Greece) to support the Democratic Government being formed by the US. Stalin did NOT want a guerrilla war in Western Europe that would fore the US to launch an attack on Eastern Europe. Thus the Right wing was throughly discredited while the center and left both wanted Representative Democracy.

The Marshall plan was important in that it provided seen money to the business community in Western Europe. This Seed money was refused in Eastern Europe for Stalin saw that it contained strings in that th e money went to private ventures NOT Government agencies. The purpose was to attach these business elements to the US business community through trade. These same business elements had supported Hitler and other Right Wing rulers in the 1930s. Thus this undercut the remaining Right wing supporters of fascism in all of these countries, while providing jobs to the working class so to undercut the working class support for the Communists (Universal Health Care was also adopted at this time, if it did not already exist in these countries, to undercut support for the Communists).

Thus the saturation in Europe and Japan was unique, both the Communists and the US wanted Representative Demo cray, the Fascist right wing was throughly discredited do to they support of Hitler during WWII (Which even included the Right wing in France where many right wingers had join French units that fought against the Soviet Union under Hitler).

This situation was further enhanced by the fact we had just fought Hitler and the rest of European Fascism. The US people would NOT understand putting such people back in power, thus the US had no choice but to look to the center to lead. Thus the US supported the Center parties not the right wing parties in these particular countries and Democracy flourished.

Since WWII, in places like Korea, the US has supported the Right Wing, for the Right Wing can generally be bought (Unlike the Canter and the Left). The US has demanded that some Democratic institution be implemented, but also supported any government that destroyed those institutions if the Government was threaten to be overthrown (With the US Government saying the oppose during the suppression).

[Solon]

20. Other examples include Italy and Australia...

Italy had CIA interference during an election, because the Communist party was going to win, so they killed a few people, set up a few bombings, and committed election fraud, and the Communist party ended up losing because of that.

Australia was more direct, after a Leftish government was elected there, the United States asked the Governor-General of Australia to dissolve the government and force a new election, he complied. I thought only the Queen could do that, but apparently not.

[devilgrrl]

19. Japan is a one party state.

eom

[Pavulon]

22. Constitutional democracy

diet was opposition controlled in 93.

I mean if chavez is democratic certianly japan is?

[sweetheart]

24. ... or how many monarchies of demos the UK's created

Seems the joke is on uz, and the whole democracy thing was a laugh, a good time,
ha!!! you fell for it too!! :rofl: Just vote starbucks and ask they support a
wallmart candidate.

The monopolists have had the game in the back hand for several hundred years,
dividing up the planet between their cartels, with a few wars to make the whole
nation-democracy thing look real. And funnily enough the colonies start to believe
the rhetoric, that they are actually democracies, and they cease to praise the queen,
and instead fawn greasily at the feet of their own replacement sycophants, with
expensive bibles and cowboy boots.

[leftofthedial]

25. it has destroyed several

and failed in its attempts to destroy others