pshopped Reuters photo-just on Cnn

[QuestionAll...]

the little green footballs guy was on as the 'expert' (btw, it was one of his readers that drew his attention to the pic). coininky and familiar, isn't it?

if someone has the pics, please post them here, I've lost the other threads.

anyway, sure sounds like a deliberate set up to me to have general distrust of the horrific pictures we see from the war. Apparently the photographer was also involved in taking pictures at Qana and 'rearranging' the bodies for more effect? (sorry, didn't quite understand this part).

and get this - all these pictures that come out of lebanon have to get Hizbollah approval - that's what Johnson the footballer said. Also said we have to be really suspicious as to whether they are real.

there ya go.
the cynics were right, imho.
this isn't about sensationalism by reporters/editors - this is simply propaganda by the military.

[Richard Steele]

1. Well, this is no surprise. We've seen it before. It was a propaganda scam.

And, honestly, what other reason could there really
be for such a POINTLESS act of PhotoShopping?

And now the Lying CrapWeasels of the Far Right
are on TV being called 'experts' as they unfold
their Rovian scheme, just as we :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
expected they would.

[QuestionAll...]

3. any bets of when the first reference to this...

is made when another atrocity has been put on film for the world to see?

some r/w talkshower will muddy the waters of the new fresh hell with:
-well, remember that doctored photo of beirut?

::Are you suggesting that this photo has been tampered with and isnot as horrific as it appears?::

-we do know that this kind of thing has been done in the past.

==
just plant the seed, that all that is needed. and it works - 50% of americans still think Saddam had WMD?
why? because that's the line that got played most often and it sticks.

[Igel]

6. You're out of date.

Adnan Hajj is the photographer in the obviously edited photo--there's no question it was edited.

And another one of his photos was dumped on as being edited--obviously so--triggering Reuter's removal of all his photos from their archives.

However, others of his photos are obviously staged. Or intentionally misdated.

That's all well and fine. His credibility is trashed, and the trashing is sound. But there's a reason that his name is important.

He was one of the photographers accused of staging many of the Qana photos. Reuters defended him when that accusation was hurled. They've stopped defending him.

[QuestionAll...]

18. Adnan Hajj - any other info on him?

I am wondering who he is really working for and what price he was paid for this distraction to lose his job.

Always suspicious.

[QuestionAll...]

28. which brings up...

the fact that I have never heard one 'Mossad' word in all this fracas from the media.
Now come on, opening Iraq war, CIA was plastered all over the place.

odd, no?

[Igel]

77. I've actually backed off my suspicion, at

least a little.

One report today said he'd been with Reuters since '93. So he's not a recent recruit.

But I've only backed off a little. I have no other info. Zip. But I'm vaguely curious.

[winter999]

2. Yep, propaganda by the Hezbollah military. Like Qana.

The photo was obviously doctored.
The photo was obviously on Reuters.
The photo was obviously taken by a Lebanese.

[Junkdrawer]

5. So Israel was just dropping flowers and candy after all...

Damn that Hezbollah propaganda!

[gatorboy]

9. See it was all CGI after all.

No bombs. Just computer generated foolery...Move along, move along

[DemonFighterLives]

14. The doctoring which hardly changed the photo is one thing

That he was on Reuters and that he was Lebanese doesn't add a thing.
It could have been a mistake.

[cgrindley]

19. What? Like he tripped and fell and landed on Photoshop?

Come on, a Hezbollah propagandist has been caught. He was cooking shit up. Israel has still bomed the shit out of Lebanon. That part hasn't changed, but Hezbollah has just been caught with its fingers in the cookie jar of truth.

[DemonFighterLives]

21. Last I heard the photographer was not admitting it

and I saw no confirmation of the Qana dead stuff.
Did the photo smoke look that much different than the real smoke?

[cgrindley]

34. That cheating cyclist isn't admitting it either

Yeah, the smoke looks terribly fake.

[DemonFighterLives]

37. The cyclist has a lot to do with this

The smoke does look fake, but the quantity is not that much differenr than reality.
Do you think Landis played a part in this confusion?
:silly:

[cgrindley]

59. No, I think that dishonest people rarely fess up

I was giving you an example of a dishonest person who didn't fess up. EG OJ Simpson.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Pffft. Come on.

A child who has played with the clone tool on Photoshop for more than 15 minutes knows what's going on here:



Please notice the perfectly identical lines in the columns of smoke. Nature doesn't do that.

It's not just a fake job, it's a crappy fake job.

[Lurking Dem]

48. Even the repeat of buildings

is quite obvious.

[Swamp Rat]

49. Some idiot discovered the 'clone' tool!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Pffft! Is right!!!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

55. No doood. I agree with the GOP on this one. No clones. Please.

NO CLONES!



And no human-animal hybrids, while we're at it.

[Swamp Rat]

56. LOL!

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Blah Blah Blah Bandwidth Blah Blah Blah

[DemonFighterLives]

62. Pfft yourself

I know it was photoshopped, but I just don't know who did it.
Someone said Haji did it- has that been confirmed?

[Rhiannon12866]

4. I saw that too.

The so-called "expert" was way too self promoting. And this is way too familiar. And why this photographer would "doctor" his pix makes no sense. They were bad enough just as they were...x(

[rodeodance]

10. many of these so-called experts are far from 'experts"

[gatorboy]

13. And why doctor a pic when the normal version is out there

for comparison? It's not even that the smoke looked so horrid. It's also that the clone brush used was so large, that it cloned half the buildings. Why do that?

I work in the newspaper business and there's no way a pic doctored as shabbily as it was, could get past a photo editor (They still have editors, don't they?). I mean someone checks the photos before publishing....Right?

[cgrindley]

17. Read up on the Reuter's editorial process

The photog handed them at times and in places where they wouldn't be subject to editing. That overall policy has now been reversed by Reuters. Read their site.

[gatorboy]

22. Do you have a link for that?

I'm surprised someone hasn't slipped in a "Girls Gone Wild" shot since it's so easy to publish over there...

How did they come across the original photo?

[Junkdrawer]

7. Same trajectory as Rathergate...

Clumsy "forgery" discovered on LGF, makes the usual RW rounds and ends up clouding the issue in the Corporate Media.

Who'd a thunk it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1832583&mesg_id=1833162

[winter999]

8. Yep, Adnan Hajj is a LGF plant.

:wtf:

[Junkdrawer]

12. Look at the Before and After...It's a tempest in a teapot...

Before:





After:

[gatorboy]

15. The before looks just as bad.

The only difference is that the after pic looks purposely cloned.

[unpossibles]

16. pretty bad photoshopping done at that

it's almost like he wanted it to be noticed and discredited.

:tinfoilhat:

[cgrindley]

20. It's NOT a tempest in a teapot

It's clear evidence of Hezbollah attempting to manipulate photographs coming out of Lebanon. It's like OJ. The cops framed a guilty man. Their framing was both inexcusable, *and* OJ still murdered those people.


PS Israel still bombed the shit out of Lebanon.

[Junkdrawer]

23. Look at the two pictures. Only three possibilities:

1.) Adnan Hajj is clinically retarded and a propagandist

2.) It was an innocent mistake blown WAY out of proportion

3.) Someone managed to deface his work

[Richard Steele]

30. I'm sorry, but that simply makes no sense.

To believe that this was a deliberate act by Hezbollah
requires the assumption that Hezbollah is just STUPID
on a monumental scale.

Ask yourself: WHAT did the changes actually 'change'
that could possibly help Hezbollah in any way?

Nothing, that's what. The changes were completely
and utterly POINTLESS from a Hezbollah point of view.

[Richard Steele]

24. Yup. The only significant "change" is from 'real' to 'blatant fake'.

Just like the other PhotoShopped photo of the jet,
there is no SUBSTANTIVE change to the events shown in the pic.
And whoever altered them was OBVIOUSLY not trying
to FOOL anyone, so we have to ask what they _WERE_
trying to accomplish.

The ONLY reason to waste time making such blatant,
POINTLESS alterations is to cast some doubt
upon the waters of discourse, to deliberately
create a straw for the drowning warmonger-opinion
to cling to.

And now, Stage 2, the Corporate Media begin to spin that
straw into a log, then a raft...

The real question is: did we LEARN from recent history,
or are we going to relive it?

[Lindacooks]

31. People are getting their panties in a twist about THAT?

Talk about a planted distraction from what's really going on.

[KaptBunnyPants]

26. The accusation would be that he is an Israeli or American plant.

As well he could have been. This is classic black op stuff that Mossad and the CIA have both been caught doing before. These were obvious and pointless forgeries; why copy the number of plumes of smoke on a burning building, or the number of bombs dropping from a plane? The building is destroyed anyway, the plane is dropping bombs anyway. Those pictures weren't made any more compelling or pro-Lebanese by the alterations. Then news of planted forgeries could then leaked onto message boards, where people with no traceable link to the agency could "discover" the fraud, discrediting the only people who are able to report back home what is happening in Lebanon.

Both of you are conspiracy theorists. Either it's the one above, where agencies which are renowned for their use of disinformation campaigns used an Arab agent to attack the media, or its the right wing's conspiracy theory: that the red cross, Lebanese government, world's media, and every other nation of the the face of the Earth except for the US and Israel is involved in a Satanic campaign to wipe the Jewish people from the planet. Personally, I'm more inclined to believe the one that sounds less insane. Israel admits responsibility for the attack of specific buildings, what are we supposed to think, that Israel bombs a building and Hezbollah sneaks in there afterward to pack it with children and blow it up, all with the watching approval of the Red Cross, UN, media, and other targets of Right wing fantasy?

[DemonFighterLives]

11. It was all smoke and mirrors

The death and destruction is just a figment of our imagination.
Move along!
:dem:

[chill_wind]

25. Well well well.

Did the outraged LGF parties also show all the photoshops from pulling down the Saddam statue?

The SwiftVet et al fraudulant photos of Kerry and Fonda?

There's a long history here on the wingnut side as well.

Oh that evil "liberal" media.

Here's a link from yesterday. Great referernce site in there

4MoronicYears DSun Aug-06-06 05:39 PM
Examples, old and new.... equally stunning examples at link:

Digital Tampering in the Media, Politics and Law
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/research/digitaltampering


In thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1833365&mesg_id=1833480

[jsamuel]

27. while any journalist changing photos is unacceptable, this is a non-story

fire the journalist for editing the photos, but trying to make this about Hez or Israel is just ridiculous and disingenuous. Look at them, they are basically the same photo. Whoever did it was either really stupid or trying to let people see he was editing them.

before:


after:

[Scurrilous]

29. CNN has truly jumped the shark...

...when a racist like Charles Johnson of littlegreenfootballs (LGF)is presented as an 'expert.'

LGF Watch:

http://lgfwatch.blogspot.com/

LGF Quiz:

http://www.drmenlo.com/lgfquiz/

[hedgehog]

32. Everyone here is assuming that these photos were aimed at the West

Maybe they were meant for local consumption. If you remember, the imam who brought the Danish cartoons to the attention of the Moslem world added several caricatures of his own to ensure a proper reception. We in the West were arguing over European satire while the Moslem world was looking at really racist pictures.

[mogster]

33. Another just broke

From this article:
http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2006/08/07/473229.html

You should note that the net version and the paper version of this paper are two entirely different things. The paper version has all the old journalists and is considered liberal, while the net version had a shake up in 2004 (journalists fired) and invited neoconservative bloggers during the election, found the most conservative Norw. expert to comment the election and generally present Bush - not to mention Condi - either chillingly neutral or as heroes. I'm still reeling from that blow, this used to be a crass and good liberal paper. Still, they wouldn't lie, just an extraordinary bias towards the dumbass-in-chief. And Israel. And the Bible and stuff. I guess you know ;-)

Same photographer. Seems he was a bad apple after all. We should follow this guy in the time to come, just in case. Where did he come from in the first place? Poll_Blind in the other thread mentioned he took pictures during the soccer world cup.
The thread is here, by the way:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1832583

[gatorboy]

35. Oy. I take it all back.

The man is an idiot. This cloning is a bit more discreet compared to the other pic, but I digress....It looks like someone needs to take photoshop away from the lad. :rofl:

Here's a link to many of his photos:

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=%22Adnan+Hajj&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-pull-img-t&x=wrt

[B2G]

38. It looks like it goes beyond those 2 photos too

I've seen pictures of the same bombed out buildings with the same people in front of them dated weeks apart.

The guy is a sleaze.

[gatorboy]

40. I have to say that I originally questioned this

because I couldn't see how someone could be so obvious with their photo editing (Photoshopping is what I do for a living). It was pointless to doctor that bombing image. But now with that jet image...Jeez Louis.

Anyway, The jet image seems to still be up at Yahoo news:

[Swamp Rat]

51. Hell, I only have Photoshop Elements 3.0 and I am an amature,

but even I can do better! :eyes:

[QuestionAll...]

36. Mossads motto: By way of deception, thou shalt do war.

nah!
how tinfoil of me.

[Lurking Dem]

39. Not his only questionable photos

Powerline had this and blogs all over are comparing photos and finding a lot of weirdness.



Hajj photo dated July 24

The Reuters caption reads: "Journalists are shown by a Hizbollah guerrilla group the damage caused by Israeli attacks on a Hizbollah stronghold in southern Beirut, July 24 2006. (Adnan Hajj/Reuters)"

Below is the Hajj photo dated August 5:



The Reuters caption reads: "A Lebanese woman looks at the sky as she walks past a building flattened during an overnight Israeli air raid on Beirut's suburbs August 5, 2006. (Adnan Hajj/Reuters)"

[DemonFighterLives]

63. Powerline

Oh boy are they even allowed here.
Right wing from hell.

[Lurking Dem]

68. Sorry.

That's just where I found those photos. I don't know anything about Powerline.

Do you think the right wing bloggers are faking these photos?

[DemonFighterLives]

70. As I have been saying on this thread

I don't think the answers are out yet. With all the right wing bloggers coming upon this information kinda makes me wonder. :tinfoilhat:

Rather knew he could be "necklaced" by this administration and it happened under the obedient right wing media. And his story was true about the AWOL Commander in Chief.

The purpose of these photoshops is not clear,
but it looks like discrediting of the photographer is a high priority.

Thanks for asking to give me the ability to clarify my point.

[Lurking Dem]

73. All I want is the truth.

Whatever it may be.

[DemonFighterLives]

74. I was going to go look for information on the reporter from other

sources. Rueters just dumped him and left him holding the bag.
I don't know if more information has come out or not.

[Lurking Dem]

75. I haven't seen any.

Reuters might could solve this question by putting all of his photos out there but I don't see them doing that.

Hajj's assertion he was trying to get rid of dust marks is patently bullshit. A whole section of Beirut is pasted on top of itself in that photo.

But in this climate, even that story is now suspect.

[DemonFighterLives]

76. Not much out there

The one link that I found said that Hajj was not responding on Monday.
I guess he did what he did, but it still leaves questions hanging about why and who else may be involved.

[DemonFighterLives]

41. Wolfie was just praising Little Green Footballs

"Looks like he's got something going over there", wolfy said after being imformed that this same guy discovered memogate.
He's got something going alright Wolf, it is called catapulting the propaganda.
:crazy:

[Lurking Dem]

42. So what do you call what Hajj has been doing?

Photojournalism?

[DemonFighterLives]

61. I would say that I am not allfire sure that he did that much

So far we are seeing manipulated smoke over a city and in a contrail.
If there has been more substantiated, I have missed it.
Call it what you like, I know what Little Green Footballs is doing- see Memogate.
:hurts:

[Junkdrawer]

43. See..something's not right. Not sure what, but I'd love to hear...

the photographer on DemocracyNow and see what he says.

[Lurking Dem]

46. What do you think is not right?

(Besides the fact that LGF asshole is on tv.)

[Junkdrawer]

50. Because the Photoshopping doesn't add much to either photo and...

it's EXTREMELY obvious in the first and only a little less in the second.

[Lurking Dem]

52. How about his other

"work" - the same building being "bombed" on 2 different days, etc.?

Maybe he wasn't the sharpest tool in the drawer? Maybe he has an overabundance of hubris? Maybe he's an amateur propagandist trying to get some experience?

People were on here days ago talking about "green helmet man" and Hajj's apparent staged photos. Now he's busted.

[Junkdrawer]

54. That's why I want to hear his side of the story. n/t

[DemonFighterLives]

64. On that I agree fully

In the article where Reuters fired him, he totally denied any wrongdoing.
That leaves Rove. :rofl:

[Scurrilous]

57. Thank-you...

...for bringing right-wad talking points to DU. (Powerline *spit*)

BTW...ynetnews linked video of the recovery of victims at Qana on their website. This green-helmet guy you are talking about was FILMED bringing bodies out of the wreckage of the bombed building. Nothing was staged. Nothing was photoshopped. It was real. Deal with it.

[Lurking Dem]

69. Sorry to offend you.

I don't know anything about Powerline - I followed a bunch of links and saw those photos.

Are the bloggers faking them?

[Scurrilous]

44. Wolfie praising LGF...

...why am I not suprised.


Action Alerts
Sunday, May 14, 2006


Incitement: Threats on Internet Hate Site

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20548#c0008

The next time someone in a truckstop or a Starbucks or a library or any public place says ANYTHING even resembling support for the Muslim 'cause' WILL be sent to either the hospital or worse. . .just waiting to bash someones face in. no more games.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20548#c0017

Islam is evil and must be fought. The only language Muslim savages understand is violence

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=429&theType=AA

[Blue_Tires]

53. ugly....

wannabe tough guys......

[DemonFighterLives]

66. Thanks for the links

Freepers must be wetting their pants over this story.
That and Dan Rather.
:silly:

[Lurking Dem]

45. .

[Fozzledick]

60. More detail on Hezbollah's Qana photo-op

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/who-is-this-man.html

[blonndee]

65. RW blog.

Editors: Helen Szamuely, Richard North (Bruges Group).

[DemonFighterLives]

71. I was suspecting as much

Thanks for your take on it.

[proud patriot]

67. LGF

:rofl:

[Ganja Ninja]

72. LGF = neo-nazi's

Wouldn't want anybody from DU as an expert on CNN cause we're extremists.
:eyes: