Israeli strike kills 40 more

[malaise]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5252842.stm
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An Israeli air strike has killed more than 40 people in the southern Lebanese border village of Houla, Lebanon's prime minister has said.

Fouad Siniora told an Arab foreign ministers meeting in Beirut that there had been "a horrific massacre".
"An hour ago, there was a horrific massacre in the village of Houla in which more than 40 martyrs were victims of deliberate bombing," Mr Siniora told the meeting.

More than 900 Lebanese, most of them civilians, have been killed in the conflict, the Lebanese government says. More than 90 Israelis, most of them soldiers, have also been killed.
Details on the Houla strike are still sketchy, but it came as Israeli jets also hit southern Beirut and parts of the east and south, cutting off the city of Tyre.

The BBC's John Simpson in Tyre says a crater now blocks the farm track used to transport food and medicine to the city.
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EfuggingNOUGH

[snappyturtle]

1. Shh! "It" will go away!

:sarcasm: I bet we'll hear more and more of this type of horrific slaughter in the days to come while the U.S. and the UN sit on their hands and allow Israel to do whatever it deems necessary to disarm Hezbollah! Remember * in the beginning told Israel they had something like a week to ten days to "clean up" Southern Lebanon and then it was two, maybe three weeks in the meantime ol' condi is working hard to get a peace proposal---yah, right!! Wonder if this bombing was with one of the newly delivered bunker busters complete with depleted uranium?

[Oversea Visitor]

2. I do not think Isreal using DU

bombs. They fuck themself if they do.

[snappyturtle]

7. Well, they've f------d themselves then. Check out

this site www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/13350 or just Google it and you will pull up many references.

[Oversea Visitor]

10. The danger pose by DU

is that is vaporises into very tiny micron on impact.
Such particles by itself not a danger
But when it get into your body with a half life of 4.5 billion year shit happen

One can breath it in. Ingest through food or water.
Wearing a gas mask not much use too, the particles are too tiny.

The US army has always claim that it is not dangerous as long as it doesn not get into you body.
Amazing they never describe what happen to it on impact.
How fine the particles.
And when it go after that.

[chimpymustgo]

3. Tell me how this is not collective punishment and ethnic cleansing.

Anybody?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

5. I'd love to hear an answer too.

And then laugh at it hysterically for its ignorance and zealotry.

[malaise]

11. Well I hope you're

not listening to Bush and Condi's press conference because they claim to be friends of Siniora.:sarcasm: :sarcasm: Who needs these friends.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Yuo can raed the conventions yourself to find out

by the way... the stated goal is NOT ethnic cleansing or genocide... the stated goal of Hisbollah IS.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

13. Who cares about stated goals?

Actions speak louder than words, no?

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Yes and for collective punishment you need certain

things to happen, LEGALLY... Israel has actually crossed them T and I that legally need to be crossed..By Israel making calls and dropping leaphlets they have crossed that legal boundary. Hence they have done what they can to tell civilians get out. Fallujah is similar

They cannot forcibly evacuate civilians, for that would indeed fall under ethnic cleansing. by the by neither can the lebanese Government. I can evacuate people by force during a natural disaster or other emergencies, save war.

And this is but one example. Those of us who have actually more than just passing familiarity are far less adept to throw the cries of war crimes... by the way... what the Israelis have done in the Territories partially fits collective punishment, not fully, but the case is easier made

The way that many round these parts use the term, Hisbollah is also engaging in collective punishment, has been since 2000... every time it terrorizes the population of Northern Israel. I know better... and will not accuse them of collective punishment either.

What you may believe is a war crime well, the test is can you prove this in a court of law, that is the standard.. purely...

Oh and by the way, I am far more cynical about this than you may believe... but that comes from having seen ACTUAL honest to goodness war crime victims and those cases from that long forgotten war, have never gone forwards.

Oh and you have yet to adress that Nasrallah has in fact called for genocide, ethnic cleansing and the destruction of Israel.. that IS his stated goal...and if he could, every person in Israel, whether Arab, or Christian will be killed, the logic, let Allah sort them out.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

17. Nasrallah is a lunatic. There are no good uses for zealots of any variety

I condemn him, just as I do the Israelis, in the harshest terms possible.

However, just because one does not state a goal of ethnic cleansing or collective punishment the way Nasrallah has, that does not mean the goal is not there. As a nation, stating such goals publicly would not be advisable. I may accuse Israel of many things, but being stupid is not one of them.

Furthermore, since when are the actions of an allegedly civilized nation measured only by a comparison to what is allegedly a terrorist organization? If you're really only holding Israel to a standard of "barely a notch above the terrorists", do you not see that as a bit of a problem?

[The Stranger]

4. And the War Crimes keep on coming.

[cali]

6. A U.S. administration

with the merest shred of a conscience, could have and would have made the obscene Israeli bombing come to a screeching halt. Unbelievable that this is still going on.

[Minstrel Boy]

8. Historically, US administrations have acted

as a sympathetic force of restraint upon Israeli governments. This one, though, is egging it on, to press the attack to Syria and incite Iran into action, in order to create the casus belli for more "opportunities."

This is not in Israel's interest, but the midwives of the "new Middle East" could care less.

[cali]

9. Unbelievable as it seems

I think you're right. These bastards really do begger the imagination.

[Lurking Dem]

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[maddezmom]

18. locking

updated link here:
Lebanon retracts claim that Israel killed 40
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