Lieberman v. Lamont tomorrow: Place yer bets, place yer bets!

[WilliamPitt]

With polls showing Lamont leading the three-term incumbent, Lieberman at last moved to confront the issues -- opposition to the war and anger with Bush -- that have put his political career in jeopardy. The decision came after a lengthy debate within his campaign over whether he could win the primary without directly addressing his position on the war and his relationship with the president.

Lieberman has gained ground on his challenger in the past four days, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released early Monday morning. The poll showed Lamont at 51 percent to Lieberman's 45 percent. Last Thursday, the same poll put the race at Lamont 54 percent, Lieberman 41 percent.

Lieberman has hammered Lamont in radio ads aimed at African American voters, stressing his own civil rights record while criticizing Lamont for his recent membership in a country club that the ads say is not know for its diversity. Lieberman advisers hope the late TV and radio blitz and the Sunday speech on Iraq will force Connecticut Democrats to think again before voting against the incumbent on Tuesday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/07/AR2006080700250.html

[matcom]

1. Lamont in a walk

I hope

IF it's a walk, look for Joe to bow out and NOT run as an independent.

reason? his wife is a lobbyist and THAT would be bad for 'buisness'

[Crewleader]

31. I'm with you matcom....Lamont in a walk

I didn't know Joe's wife was a lobbyist...she is all business was my first impression of her when I met her in 2002 and Joe who was just the opposite with his big smile and charm reaching for my hand and covering it with his other.
His voting record doesn't match what the people of CT has been asking for and certainly not ours.

It's time for them to retire and let someone really represent what the people need and want from their Senator.

As always matcom your posts always make me laugh or definitely smile, I can always count on it....those in the Lounge can be quite funny. :7

Good thread William...Hugs to you both! :hug:

[matcom]

35. CREWLEADER!!!

:loveya:

haven't seen you in AGES!

how are you honey?

:loveya:

[Crewleader]

42. I'm OK

You and William are such gifts for friends...my guys from home! :loveya:



:kick: Interesting to see DUers' opinions and bets. :kick:

[Lusted4]

58. The freepers show up and pull out a Lieberman squeaker. n/t

[TechBear_Seattle]

2. Does Connecticut use electronic voting machines?

I expect that Diebold, Sequoia and ES&S would be only too happy to make sure that Lieberman remains in office.

[Atman]

8. NO! DRE-free in CT

SOS cancelled the state's order for the machines (all Diebold) after she found Diebold had lied about the security of the machines in their proposal for the state. So she stopped them all, and we're using the old lever machines.

[hyphenate]

10. Good to hear! eom

[TechBear_Seattle]

15. In that case...

Lamont wins in a leisurely stroll. :hi:

[jpkenny]

43. Ever heard of "hanging chads?" i rest my case.

[WilliamPitt]

44. You're right, no one should bother, everyone go home.

:eyes:

[mountainvue]

47. They don't use chad ballots

in a lever machine.

[WestSeattle2]

57. If CT is Diebold-free, Lamont wins....n/t

[Ioo]

3. Lamont by 4.5 points - Joe will Bitch Demand Recount (unlike Florida 2000)

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. Lamont by 10

[Junkdrawer]

5. Electronic fraud is not a factor, BUT, as we've seen in Florida & Ohio...

There's more than one way to cheat in an election.

Big factor in this race will be the rush of CT's 44% "unaffiliated" to register Democratic.

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-newdems0805.artaug05,0,4759056.story

[TechBear_Seattle]

17. Is there a deadline to register for the primary?

At what point does primary registration close?

[Junkdrawer]

18. R -> D was 90 days ago. U -> D is noon today. n/t

[GreenArrow]

6. Lamont by three points

After a closed door dressing down by party leaders, Joe declines to run as an Independent and offers Lamont his support.

[Squeech]

24. From your lips to God's ears

or, really, to Chuck Schumer's ears. Holy Joe will seize any opportunity to run as an independent and muddy the waters, just to feed his own ego (and attempt to preserve the flow of lobbyist money), unless the Democratic establishment lets him know in no uncertain terms that it's insupportable.

[ronnykmarshall]

33. I think you're right.

I heard Lieberman on Ed Schulz friday and he doesn't wasn't talking much about an indie run in the fall.

[GodlessBiker]

7. Lamont by 4.

[MercutioATC]

41. Agreed. Lamont by 4.

[hyphenate]

9. Boy, how desperate

Lieberman is--flinging mud and trying to act like a true "Democrat." I don't know who will win the race, but all I know is that Joe doesn't represent ANY liberal views that I care to know about right now, and his past associations with the Bush clan show me that he is NOT worth a plug nickel as a senator for OUR party.

My hopes go to Ned Lamont in the vain hope that he will win and return that Senate seat into a more sane and reasoned one.

[WilliamPitt]

13. This isn't desperate

You'll see desperate if Joe loses, and decides to run as an Independent in the general. He will split the Dem vote and give the seat to the GOP by doing so.

That is desperate. Watch. If he loses, he just might do it.

[matcom]

22. bet you a case of beer he doesn't run as an independent

his wife is a lobbyist. that isn't good for 'business'

they will push him out. bet ya.

[WilliamPitt]

25. I hope you're right

I'm not taking the bet, because that's what I'm also thinking. The problem is, simply, that Joe has proven himself to be an unutterly deplorable, sublimely craven douchebag, so there's that margin which can't be accounted for by logic or best interests. There is also this aspect: if he loses and decides not to run Indy, and thus is out of the Senate, his wife's lobbying muscle will diminish. It might be worth it to both of them to try a kamikaze run.

We'll probably know by tomorrow night.

When are you coming out to Boston?

[matcom]

27. check your PM

[kentuck]

40. Lanny Davis suggested that Lieberman would definitely run...

as an Independent if he did not win the primary. I don't know how much inside info he might have but he mentioned that on one of the talk shows yesterday. I do agree that Joe has become accustomed to his position and he will not surrender it without fighting to the bitter end.

But, in my opinion, he will not maintain a lot of Democratic support if he runs as an Independent. Rpublicans do not like to switch Parties. However, the political reality with the dislike for this Administration may bring out a few to vote for Joe? I would doubt that he would get enough Dems and Reps combined to win the race. He would probably take a similar number from both Parties and it would be a wash? And Lamont would still win if he wins the primary.

[Iniquitous Bunny]

26. I think, too

that's why the big Dems (Clinton, etc) are coming out to support Joe. Kind of a matter of, "Look Joe, we did all we could, now give it up."

[Norquist Nemesis]

19. Joe knows what gets him face time in front of the cameras

and it's not his disagreements with Bush etal. Unfortunately, Joe hasn't wisened up to the fact that the Cons through Limbaugh/Hannity/Coulter and Faux have been using him to shoot at Democrats. Criticizing Democrats gives him camera time.

[Norquist Nemesis]

11. This morning's CSPAN said we should know by 9am

:shrug:

They interviewed a guy from the Hartford Courant. They're expecting 45%(?) turnout. He said CT voters get out early to vote; the polls "should be" pretty clear by 9a.m. who's going to win.

[Sydnie]

12. Lamont by 3 1/2

It will be close and will bounce back and forth or within margins for hours. Final count, Lamont by 3 1/2. That's how I'm seeing it anyway.

[jpkenny]

14. Lieberman's backers are just too powerful. They can pull the same strings

that gave us election 2000, 2004. I think Lieberman will win because of some kind of messing with the votes.

[WilliamPitt]

16. See post 8

[stellanoir]

20. Yikes

This line is just absurd " criticizing Lamont for his recent membership in a country club that the ads say is not known for its diversity."

As if the Senate itself is known for its diversity.

Find me a club in the Northeast that is known for its diversity and I'll show you a YMCA. Country clubs are generally bastions for old white money throughout New England but I'd imagine they are especially elitist in Connecticut for some reason.

[WilliamPitt]

21. See post 8

[peekaloo]

23. Lamont by 5.

[Iniquitous Bunny]

28. Lamont by 8 points.

[DemonFighterLives]

29. Lamont squeaker!

Holy Joe will pull out all the stops and all the puke mobs he can.

I see thugs!

I couldn't stand to have my hopes dashed yet again, but in bushworld many strange things have happened.

[skipos]

30. Lamont by 5%

[SaveElmer]

32. Last week I would have said Lamont easily...

Between 7-10 points...

Lieberman's campaign seems to have gotten its legs under it however...so now I don't know...

It's gonna be a squeaker either way...

[stepnw1f]

34. Lamont by 7

I thing Conn residents are fed up with Joe. And the War issue is not the only reason. I am basing this from what I have heard discouraged Conneticut voters say about Joe.

[xultar]

36. Can we get this pinned to the top? n/t

[Jacobin]

37. Where's the choice for Lieberman as SecDef?

I'm thinking he's toast in the primary.

Wasn't that lovely thought bandied about last Spring?

[cali]

38. I'm pessimistic

about this one. I voted Lieberman squeaks by.

[WilliamPitt]

39. bonk

[paulk]

45. it will be very close

I wouldn't be surprised if Lieberman pulls it out.

Recent poll said that only 30% of Lamont supporters were voting for Lamont rather than against Lieberman. I think that people are going to want to vote for someone rather than against - and the devil you know, etc.

[proud patriot]

46. I'm going with Lamont in a walk

:hi: Hi Will

[LoZoccolo]

48. Lamont might experience a "Dean crumble".

There is no poll which says that Lamont could win against Schlesinger in a two-way race, so people may lose confidence and vote Lieberman.

[Telly Savalas]

63. Are there any polls which say he would lose against Schlesinger

in a two-way race?

[Hippo_Tron]

68. That is simply not true

A July 20 Quinnipiac University Poll shows that in a two way race between Lamont and Schlesinger, Lamont has 45% and Schlesinger has 22%. That's a greater lead than Casey has over Santorum.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11362.xml?ReleaseID=940

I realize that many are concerned that Lamont is fairly unknown until recently. But Alan Schlesinger is a GOP sacrificial lamb who was weakened even further by a gambling scandal. He stands no chance against the democratic nominee whether it be Senator Lieberman or Ned Lamont. As I have said in the past, if Jodi Rell or Chris Shays were running for the seat then I might have some concerns.

[chrisau214]

49. Lamont in a Whitewash

I'm not even entirely sure what a 'whitewash' is but I think it is probably good and no one else has picked it.




Chris

[calico1]

55. Doesn't "whitewash" mean "coverup?"

Lamont wins by coverup?

:rofl:

[chrisau214]

61. You Are Correct

It does indeed mean cover-up. Well let's hope that it doesn't come to that. Anyway the option was still looking lonely without a single vote and if I made it feel a little bit better by giving it a vote then all is right with the world for at least a few minutes.




Chris

[SPKrazy]

50. Repuke Crossover Votes Will Bring It Home For Joe n/t

[calico1]

56. Repukes can't cross over and vote

because it's a closed primary. Non affiliated could switch to Democratic. Also new voters could register. The deadline was noon today. But the deadline to switch from one party to another was May 8. Lieberman's people weren't worried back then. It's possible that among the non affiliated registering as Dems are people who are really Republicans in the way they vote. But it's also true that here in CT the majority of Independents are against the war. So we'll see what happens. Could be they still love him no matter what. But it could be they are registering to throw him out. Or it could be split. No one knows until tomorrow. I am cautiously optimistic but I think it could go either way. I just don't know at this point. :shrug:

[SPKrazy]

64. Well I'd Say That's Good News n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

51. Lieberman by 1.6%

Book it.

[stepnw1f]

lol! (nt)

[UDenver20]

52. Maybe I'm just too cynical...

I hope for a Lamont win... but I'm just so used to losing.

Hard to have hope anymore...

...sigh...

[mystique]

54. I think...

Lamont will win. Libermann picked up, but it won't be enough. I just hope it doesn't get dirtier than it already is.

[lonestarnot]

53. Lamont is going to wipe his ass with his face.

[chrisau214]

62. His Own Ass Or Lieberman's Ass?

Is it even possible to wipe your own ass with your own face? That would require a person to be almost super-humanly bendy.




Chris

[deacon]

59. Tedmentum!

[bigwillq]

60. Hopefully Lamont

I think it's going to be awfully close.

[Crewleader]

65. kick

:kick:

[WilliamPitt]

66. Today's the day

[WilliamPitt]

67. .