"I don't see the Liberals offering any Ideas for winning the war"

[Philosoraptor]

Don't you just love that republican ejaculation? First they always use the word "Win" and anything other than total victory is of course "Surrender", so all they can deal in is taunts and insults.

"What great ideas do the Democrats have"? "I don't see THEM coming up with a plan".

THIS Democrat has a plan: get the fuck out of everybody else's country unless invited and stop the meat grinder and turn off the money machine and just fucking declare disaster and failure and cut and run and end it. Just end it, that is my plan.

However, I do see too many Democratic leaders cozying up to bush's war plans and acting as if the only correct thing to do is clean up the mess we've made, which also means stay the curse.

Do they have a plan? A real plan? What should the plan be, I'm asking?

[ananda]

1. This war cannot be won.

It's unwinnable by nature.

The best plan is for the USA to leave the ME and work on its own issues.

The biggest issue to work on is Bush's shadow, getting out from under it
and then working on our collective shadow that synchs with it.

Sue

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. unwinnable by design?

keep a low-grade civil war going as an excuse to base 150,000 US troops there?

[rock]

2. Everthing is Black or White to the republiCON

And, yes, I do mean that in more than one way.

[C_U_L8R]

3. The war against whom ??

[Vidar]

8. The war against reality--which the republicans often win. Go figure.

[WildClarySage]

20. Hey, everyone knows reality has a well-known liberal bias.

[Vidar]

22. ROFL

[bryant69]

4. Is surrender inspiring?

I largely agree with your analysis, let me hasten to add, but the problem with America is that you have to sell your ideas to the American people.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[sendero]

6. Dear Assholes..

... maybe you've heard of a nursery rhyme about a character called "Humpty Dumpty". The moral of this piece is that not everything that is broken can be put back together.\

You and your minions have broken Iraq. All of America's horses and all of America's men cannot put it back together again. Don't blame us, BLAME YOURSELVES.

[toska]

7. Why do we need a plan, they got us into this mess

We didn't sign up for this war, and we're not running this war. Where's their plan?

[Totally Committed]

9. You can't WIN an OCCUPATION... especially one that comes after

an ILLEGAL INVASION OF A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. As the invader, when that country dissolves int a CIVIL WAR, you can't win it unless you back ONE OF THE SIDES ALREADY FIGHTING.

These people are either so cynical, they will do anything to get us to call this abomination a WAR, or they are so stupid, they actually believe we ARE FIGHTING A WAR, and not battling an internal insrrection caused directly by our ILLEGAL INVASION in the first place.

They are evil or they are stupid... I choose to believe they are both.

TC

[hobbit709]

10. It's not a war

IT'S AN OCCUPATION. The war ended when the stuffed codpiece proclaimed "Mission Accomplished"

[jpkenny]

11. The real Dem plan was to not go to war. but Dem leaders saw it different.

[Ezlivin]

12. Because Liberals don't see the reason to START wars

N/T

[oc2002]

13. I dont see why the Democrats must cleanup Republican shit to show they can

The war is a Republican mess, it is a Republican Administration Failure, It is the complete summation of ever lie they have perpetuated against the American people..Dear Americans, can we continue down the path of disaster to disaster, war after war?

And yet the Republicans charge that the Democrats have no plan for cleaning thier disasters?




Attack, attack, attack is the Democratic response! Attack the traitors that hatched the lies to start this abomination!

[kentuck]

14. Most Democrats had the winning idea from the beginning...

"Don't be a fool and don't believe these lies". So now, we are supposed to come up with a solution??

[pretzel4gore]

15. let's cut and run......

saigon '75 all over again.....(this is what boosh and his merry jackasses are planning - the pigmedia will report vast cheering iraqi crowds throwing flowers and kisses to their 'liberators' o course; pyrrhic victory but now called win win)

[Philosoraptor]

17. cut and run and declare victory and call the D's cowards

[Ganja Ninja]

16. What constitutes a "win" in this case?

If a european style democracy is what Republicans have in mind then no we don't have a plan. Liberals aren't naive enough to think that type of government could take hold and last in a country like Iraq leastwise be forced upon them at the point of a gun by a foreign, christian invader who's real motives are to steal their natural resources.

Republican's never had a plan to win the war either. They only had a plan to invade, conquer and steal.

[Philosoraptor]

18. They often Re-Define words like Victory or Freedom

The re define things to make it legal and just.

[Dhalgren]

19. I like your plan! Where do I sign?

"THIS Democrat has a plan: get the fuck out of everybody else's country unless invited and stop the meat grinder and turn off the money machine and just fucking declare disaster and failure and cut and run and end it. Just end it, that is my plan."

This sounds great to me and long over due. We declared the occupation with out preamble or any remotely honest set-up. So, let's declare the end to the occupation in like manner. Load up and disappear into the night. We need to give Iraq tons and tons of money to try and compensate for the horrors we have committed in death and destruction, but we should give that money from a distance. And we don't need to "protect" Iraq from any outside force; the way that the Iraqis have kicked our asses is lesson enough for any other country.

Let's load up the choppers and fly out! The soundtrack to the video can be Sabbath's "War Pigs" or the Stones' "Paint it Black"...

[tsuki]

21. My response is always, What's the Republican Plan? Stay

the course? How long and how many deaths until we are evacuating under fire.

[JHB]

23. The only workable plan is...

...throw out the bums who ignored every bit of military wisdom about the conduct of war from the last 3000 years, find out how badly they've really screwed up (not just how bad they can't prevent leaking out), and then figure out "what the plan is".

And remember: before the invasion, OUR judgement about it was right, THEIRS was wrong, so WE are the ones who've earned a "just trust us on this", not them.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

24. They're quite right.

The Democrats *don't* have a plan that doesn't involve Iraq being in a state of civil war for the forseeable future.

So far as I am aware, no such plan exists - certainly the Republicans don't have one. Keeping American troops there clearly isn't enough.

At this point, the ammount of good that American troops can do by staying in Iraq, even though usually understated by most liberals, is clearly not worth the cost in lives, money and international relations of keeping them there.

[pooja]

25. I totally agree, we don't need to win anything. This isn't the

superbowl, world cup, world series, or any other tournaments ya'll love to watch. This is people who are dying for someone to declare "I won, I won". Its time to take the army out and bring the peacecorp along with the UN in. You can't clean up the streets with weapons. Its time for the armed forces to cecede and the peace activists to come in. That's a real plan. That is what we should be calling for. Not some macho, my dick's bigger than yours bullshit. Who the hell care's?

[ComerPerro]

26. I don't see any conservatives being genuinely interested in what

we have to say.

And, I don't see any Democrats in any meaningful positions of power to actually set policy, anyway.

They want our plan to win this war?

Fuck them.

They started this war.

[Norquist Nemesis]

27. It's impossible for them to even consider anything a Liberal could offer

Anything. Ideas from Liberals/Democrats are rejected out of hand. A "winning" idea from a Liberals/Democrats can never happen as long as the Cons are in charge.

It's sort of like that commercial for FedEx...the one where they're all sitting around the table with the usual brainstorming on how to cut expenses and one guy makes a suggestion. (no positive response). Then, the 'boss' makes the exact same suggestion but with hand movements, and all of the yes men at the table get excited. When the original guy speaks up to say it's what he just said, they tell him it's not the same because of the hand gestures. :eyes:

[hedgehog]

28. Leave. Today.

NPR ran a story this morning about some of the civilian deaths in Iraq. How about a group of shepherds murdered because they wouldn't diaper their goats. I thought someone was concerned with keeping the streets clean, but that wasn't it. It seems some Shiite clerics find naked goats too stimulating and want their private parts covered. The story also mentioned the grocer killed because his vegetable displays were too suggestive. This culture is too warped for us to fix. Leave Iraq today.

[izzie]

29. Why should we? We do not want the war.

I need index cards now to try and keep Bush's plans on it in order now.

[niallmac]

30. Depends on what war.

The war against this countrys' crises of education, health care, pollution and crumbling infrastucture?
Lets make some budget cuts.
Lets stop funding our illegal hate fomenting humanity destroying wars
and use some of those billions on our own country.
What good is a war on terrorism if we have a country
without any values to defend?
American is too great to define itself
by fascism.

[bowens43]

31. The only plan Democrats should be focusing on

is the plan to regain control of the House and the Senate in November.

[zbdent]

32. "You're right. Let's just keep sending our troops over there to

fight the civil war for them ..."