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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:29 AM
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Olmert to Europe: Stop 'preaching'
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/1D329F29-B578-42F2-A9A5-993B4A9D549B.htm

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When asked about criticism from European capitals of Israeli military operations that have led to a heavy civilian toll, Olmert said: "Where do they get the right to preach to Israel?

"European countries attacked Kosovo and killed 10,000 civilians. 10,000! And none of these countries had to suffer before that from a single rocket.

"I'm not saying it was wrong to intervene in Kosovo. But please, don't preach to us about the treatment of civilians."
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:puke: :puke:
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:11 AM
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1. Europe to Olmert : STFU and stop bombing
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 07:14 AM by tocqueville
Civilian Casualties

Graves of Albanians allegedly killed by Serb security forces.The war inflicted many casualties. Yugoslavia claimed that NATO attacks caused between 1,200 and 5,700 civilian casualties. Human Rights Watch counted a minimum of 500 civilian deaths in 90 separate incidents. NATO acknowledged killing at most 1,500 civilians . The majority of deaths appear to have been within Kosovo itself; there were up to 5,000 military casualties according to NATO estimates, while the Serbian figure is around 1,000.

The exact number of Albanian civilians killed is unclear. Some alleged mass graves were also found in Serbia itself, on Yugoslav military bases or dumped in the Danube. The total number of Albanian dead is generally claimed to be around 10,000 although several foreign forensic teams were unable to verify the exact amount <17> (PDF). One explanation is that some of the largest mass graves were cleared before the war's end in an apparent effort to obliterate potential war crimes evidence. The largest mass grave so far found is in Dragodan, an Albanian suburb of Priština. Those bodies so far identified are of Gypsies and Albanians, some, or possibly all, of whom were alive when NATO moved in.

so it's a deliberate lie from Olmert : the 10 000 dead were Albanians killed by Serbs. The civilian casualties among Serbs were 500-1500.

but this is the most outrageous :

"And none of these countries had to suffer before that from a single rocket"

"The tide turned in mid-July when the KLA grabbed Orahovac. This led to a series of Serb and Yugoslav offensives that were originally aimed at securing the roads that had been blocked since May. This lasted to early August. In later August, KLA attacks on communications antennae in the Kosovo Polje area led to another offensive that led to the discovery of kiln crematoria in Klecka, where KLA victims were disposed of.

A sweep through Metohija in early September revealed another gruesome KLA site, this being the watery graves at Glodjane where the remains of 60 people were discovered.

These offensives led to talk of a new Srebrenica Massacre possibly taking place. During the late August offensive, there were reports of men separated from a group of prisoners in central Kosovo. During the early September offensive, a column of displaced people in the Pec region became the object of concern. No particular gruesome acts were attributed to the Serbs until now, though the deaths of 10 people in a column by a shell in late August fuelled the arguments of those who wanted to force an end to the conflict.

Finally, in September, a determined effort was made to clear the KLA out of the northern and central parts of Kosovo and out of the Drenica valley itself. During this time many threats were made in Western capitals but these were tempered somewhat by the elections in Bosnia, as they didn't want Serbian Democrats and Radicals to win. Following the elections, however, the threats intensified once again but a galvanising event was needed. They got it on September 28th when the mutilated corpses of a family were discovered outside the village of Gornje Obrinje; the bloody doll from there became the rallying image for the planned war.

The other major issue for those who wanted to use force was the estimated 300,000 displaced Albanians, 30,000 of whom were out in the forest, with winter approaching. They expressed fear that tens of thousands of displaced people could die."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War

So Mr Olmert the Serbs treated the Kosovars the way the Nazis treated the Jews during WWII. They even used trains exactly in the same way than the Nazis did... That's why NATO intervened.

Mr Olmert, you are a disgrace to your community.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:18 AM
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2. Ditto n/t
Mr Olmert, you are a disgrace to your community.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:23 AM
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3. Well at least he's got one thing right
"The Israeli prime minister said it would not be possible to completely destroy Hezbollah, and insisted he did not underestimate them"

He would do well not to underestimate them given how a few lads in Ireland managed to keep the British Government occupied on and off for nearly 80 years I would imagine that a few hundred thousand Lebanese dissidents will be far more devasting in the long term : http://irelandsown.net/IRA.htm

Xmas '83, my wife who was alive at time, decided we needed more Xmas tree lights. We walked out of Harrods 20 minutes before the '83 bomb which took out most of the ground floor : http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/17/newsid_2538000/2538147.stm
Probably only took a couple of guys to set that up. Hundreds of thousands are a force to reckoned with.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:01 AM
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8. These people need to watch V for Vendetta.
You can kill a man. You cannot kill an idea.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:49 AM
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10. Too true
I stayed up late and watched that on DVD late Saturday night - excellent film.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:27 AM
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4. I assume they get the right to preach because they've paid for and
provided Israel's weaponry and logistics, along with the US.

:shrug:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:30 AM
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5. It is the arrogance
that frightens me.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:40 AM
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6. of whom? Olbert? europe? US? plenty of arrogance to go around
and as all that arrogance goes round and round, lebanese lives are inexorably snuffed out under rubble and missile fire.

Humans don't need to wait till judgement day to see hell. We're too busy turning earth into one.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:09 AM
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9. You're right
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 08:09 AM by malaise
arrogance gone mad everywhere.
Sp.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:49 AM
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7. They have the right because after....
2,000 years of warfare culminating in the two most devastating wars in human history they have finally learned that war just doesn't work very well.

Perhaps there is something to be learned from Germans walking the streets Paris carrying flowers, not driving tanks.



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