What is the U.S. doing in it's secret prisons?

[Just Me]

Gitmo is under scrutiny and is being tested by the "rule of law".

What about those other scattered prisons? What are they doing to the people collected in those places? Hell, they are so "secret", there is no law to cling to. What about those gulags? What are they doing to human beings in those places? Who are those human beings,...what are their names, where are they from, what was their life?

[LynnTheDem]

1. Welcome to the "new America".

Not something our Founding Fathers would be proud of, is it.

[Just Me]

3. Imagine, you have the first, middle or last name of a "terrorist",...

,...you could end up in one of those "secret" horror spots.

Oops, you end up on the "Homeland Security" :rofl: list, and,...

you may very well end up in a "secret" prison half way across this earth, too.

SHHHHHH,...shush,...don't say anything offensive against this government. Otherwise, you may loose your "freedom": to speak, to oppose, to live.

[whistle]

2. It's a secret just like Skull and Bones....

...well three years ago the question was posed and we are still waiting for an answer:

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Secret world of US jails

Jason Burke charts the worldwide hidden network of prisons where more than 3,000 al-Qaeda suspects have been held without trial - and many subjected to torture - since 9/11

Sunday June 13, 2004
The Observer

The United States government, in conjunction with key allies, is running an 'invisible' network of prisons and detention centres into which thousands of suspects have disappeared without trace since the 'war on terror' began.

In the past three years, thousands of alleged militants have been transferred around the world by American, Arab and Far Eastern security services, often in secret operations that by-pass extradition laws. The astonishing traffic has seen many, including British citizens, sent from the West to countries where they can be tortured to extract information. Anything learnt is passed on to the US and, in some cases, reaches British intelligence.

The disclosure of the shadowy system will increase pressure on the Bush administration over its 'cavalier' approach to human rights and will embarrass Tony Blair, a staunch ally of President George Bush.
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1237589,00.html

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CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
Debate Is Growing Within Agency About Legality and Morality of Overseas System Set Up After 9/11

By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 2, 2005; Page A01

The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.

The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents.

In Afghanistan, the largest CIA covert prison was code-named the Salt Pit, at center left above. (Space Imaging Middle East)

Detainees Database
The Pentagon has declined to identify the detainees at Guantanamo Bay, most of whom were captured in Afghanistan during and after the 2001 war there. The Post has compiled a list of names made public thus far, encompassing 434 men whose identities have appeared in media reports, on Arabic Web sites...

Names of Detainees Held at Guantanamo Bay

The hidden global internment network is a central element in the CIA's unconventional war on terrorism. It depends on the cooperation of foreign intelligence services, and on keeping even basic information about the system secret from the public, foreign officials and nearly all members of Congress charged with overseeing the CIA's covert actions.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html

[Just Me]

4. No. Let us talk about reality rather than the distraction of S&B.

Skip the S&B, and let's reveal facts about actions by human beings and WHO THEY ARE,...IN NAME. Fuck associations,...name names. Associations ARE ALWAYS UTILIZED TO COVER THE CRIMINALS.

For example, the Republicans are COVER for the crimes of this administration. Let us call them, "HUMAN SHIELDS",...*LOL*,...just for the fucking fun of it.

[whistle]

6. I agree, but because the imprisonment of specific humans in the U.S.

... is a secret than how are we to know their names, who they are and what has happened to them? I'll stay vigilant and post anything I find out.

[ReadTomPaine]

5. What is the US doing? Filling them up.

Here's some info, and plenty more is online:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1237589,00.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html

[ComerPerro]

7. stop asking questions, or you'll find out first-hand

[whistle]

8. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales testifies on NEW RULES FOR TORTURE

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Revolution #56, August 13, 2006

This is not our Dance;Let’s Step to Our Own Tune

On August 2, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales testified before Congress that “what we are considering now is a better product.” His new summer item: NEW RULES FOR TORTURE. Once again with the Bush crew, language sanitizes and anesthetizes. Gonzales said he wants to bring “clarity” to the Geneva Convention’s prohibition of torture, a regulation that he previously called “quaint.” What he is concerned about is the U.S.A. being able to continue a deadly, immoral, and illegal policy and practice of torture around the world—and he wants it legalized because he knows that he and the Bush administration have committed internationally recognized war crimes.

How have we come to a place where a serious discussion is held in government on the efficacy—not the immorality — of torture? How have we come to a place where such heinous considerations take on the deadening aura of business as usual? And how do we get to a different place?

There is a deadly dance afoot in official politics and political discourse in this country. A dance that is mind-numbing in its ritualized circular repetitiveness, yet it is a dance that is sliding perilously close to a precipitous cliff. There are consequences in lives and for the future.

In early June, eight men were strapped in chairs with feeding tubes jammed up their nostrils by the U.S. military. Eighty more were refusing food, protesting the U.S. government holding them in purgatory in Guantánamo for 4+ years without charges. By mid-June, three had committed suicide. Rear Admiral Harry B. Harris Jr., in a stunning display of fascistic Orwellian logic, denounced the suicides as “asymmetric warfare” and proposed a criminal investigation of the detainees’ attorneys.

In early July, the U.S. Supreme Court, in the Hamdan decision, decreed that the Bush administration overstepped with their international torture and gulag setup, ruling that they had to get Congressional approval for their military tribunals and that the international law of the Geneva Convention couldn’t be summarily ignored. This is what led to Gonzales’ appearance August 2.
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A Bush spokesperson opined to Ron Suskind in the New York Times that the Bush administration creates its own reality. That reality has already done great harm. It has also created a huge sea of people who deeply hate all that it is doing. This is the force that, as the World Can’t Wait call for October 5 puts it, can “decidedly break the paralysis that still grips much of American political life… breach the walls around us to say Enough!”

Making that break requires saying NO to the deadly dance and stepping out on our own.

There is time. Not all the time in the world, but time enough to save the future.

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http://www.rwor.org/a/056/dance-tune-en.html