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greenman3610 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-06-06 10:10 PM Original message |
Nuclear near disaster in Sweden |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-06-06 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Shit! n/t |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-06-06 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. WHOAH!!! |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-06-06 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. One more scenario that |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-06-06 11:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Yes, and the fact that many of the rivers used to cool the reactors |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. No to nukes! |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Issues with spent fuel? |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Nobody said it's better. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I understand your concerns, but I don't agree. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. You're expecting the nucleophobes to have logic? |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
60. Excuse me? |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 07:48 AM Response to Reply #60 |
115. I understand that you view this as a personal and emotional issue. |
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index555 (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 12:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
109. we CAN reduce the nuclear waste problem dramatically |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #109 |
127. Reprocessing is uneconomic, dirty and dangerous. |
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Codeblue (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 01:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
110. The thing is... |
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Jeroen (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. I agree, but excess CO2 will be in the atmosphere for over 100.000 years |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Precisely why... |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. And you think three MILLION years is better? |
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Jeroen (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
88. No, but I believe that we have to reduce CO2 emmissions now |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I believe that too! |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. The last few nuclear power plants actually built in the US |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
102. Thanks for that info! |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 07:49 AM Response to Reply #90 |
116. Hmm... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #116 |
126. That was the end result of economies of scale |
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Jeroen (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I guess you are right. Nuclear is dangerous and has longterm problems |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. Thanks, Jeroen. |
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index555 (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
108. yikes! |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #108 |
122. And entirely unnecessary. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
49. Yucca Mountain will cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. Thank you. You're right. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. That's what I'm saying! |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
94. and they had Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force too |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #94 |
107. Yes, it sure is. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
97. The results of global warming will bring down Western Civilization. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. And after the fall of Western Civilization who would take care |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
53. Ludicrous response |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-06-06 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. Forsmark is 60 miles north of Stockholm |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-06-06 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
6. I keep hitting the Recommend button but it only registers once. |
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Theres-a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Rec'd |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. K&R.. n/t |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
8. Do I trust Republicans to run a nuclear reactor? No. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
56. Another excellent reason to just say no to nukes! n/t |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
12. Yes, we read here in Europe at the time (two days later) |
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Stockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
13. More info for those interested |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 07:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. from the article you posted... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
16. I'd like to hear the responses from the pro-nuclear crowd here at DU.... |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. OK, I'll give it a shot. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. How about anti fossil and nuke? |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:45 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Let me be more specific. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Well then let's put our eggs into several different |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Fools who think wind and solar will save everything... |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. nothing saves everything... n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. LOL, and those who think our current energy production model |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I never said I wanted nuclear only. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Sorry, but from the tone of your posts, it was sounding like |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
67. Excellent post! |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. 22 states currently have Renewable Portfolio Standards |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. How about the fantasy of risk-free nuclear power? |
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index555 (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 04:06 AM Response to Reply #50 |
111. not entirely risk-free but far better than what's current |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #50 |
117. Spent fuel can be reprocessed multiple times. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
58. As opposed to pro-nuke apologists that tell us there's nothing wrong... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
103. How about pro-actually-having-energy? |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
64. How many people CAN nuclear power plants kill? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. This incident, was the only level 2 INES incident in the history of |
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podnoi (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Trouble is "one bad incident" is one too many |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Deleted message |
Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Bingo! |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. Chernobyl vs. Minamata |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
105. LOL! |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. Again, you are caught up in binary thinking |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. You can't get all energy entirely from renewables. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Nonsense |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Oh really? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. OK oh so knowledgable one |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. The 129I, 131I, 90Sr and 137Cs produced by the so-called Oklo reactor were |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Geez, and you're calling me out for emoting? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. Snake oil! |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. The US is limited in its uranium supplies |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
68. Step away from the Kool-Aid! |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Let's see...um...why do I think that...hmmm...gee...well... |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. If you think we know all there is to know about renewable |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Deleted message |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Look, kid... and I laugh YET AGAIN!! |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. No conceivable nuclear accident could kill millions. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 12:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Ummm, so the lingering effects of a massive radiation leak... |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. No, actually. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. When I say massive, I am talking about a complete meltdown... |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 04:07 AM Response to Reply #54 |
112. Yes, but the problem with that... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 09:20 AM Response to Reply #112 |
118. So massive doses of radiation is perfectly fine then? |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Yes, that's exactly what I said. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Thanks for bringing the pro-radiation arguments to the fore... |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 11:45 AM Response to Reply #124 |
128. Every single one of your posts... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Excellent! Mission Accomplished. NO NUKES!!! |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 09:21 AM Response to Reply #112 |
119. A nuclear meltdown is fiction? Wow, I'll go tell the guys in ops |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Fine, perhaps fiction isn't the correct word. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Nuclear meltdown is just one human error away, |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
70. Hasn't killed a million... yet |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Gee. We're running out of time. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. guess they didn't check with you first |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 09:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Fission product equilibrium??? Not so. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Um, have you noticed millions of killed people by Chernobyl? |
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podnoi (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
65. That is an ignorant response |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. No, it wouldn't |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
78. Then why do we have a Price Anderson Act that limits the liability |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Nuclear plant meltdowns arn't nuclear detonations |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 01:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
80. And the Titanic was unsinkable |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
86. "Meltdown-proof?" |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. "I'll believe Greenpeace" |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 06:27 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Greenpeace rules |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. When the CO-FOUNDER of Greenpeace supports nulcear energy... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #100 |
125. Patrick Moore cofounder of Greenpeace, Stewart Brand (Whole Earth Catalog) |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Nope. There's YOUR problem. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 04:49 AM Response to Reply #86 |
113. I would. |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #113 |
130. Good for you. You're one in a million, probably a billion. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. I'm not advocating a nuclear-only solution. |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. you asked for it... |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
21. Solar and wind. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
52. NO NUKES!!!! |
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Monk06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
57. When high temperature pebble bed reactors replace conventional |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Not so |
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Monk06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Thanks for the info. Question do the new Chinese PBMR's represent a |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. They are all rather small, <120 MW and share the same problems |
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Monk06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Well you just ruined my happy face Uranium mining story......... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Just doin' my part.... |
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Monk06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. jpak, if you're going to beat the crap out of me I'd prefer that you do it |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. LOL! - sorry |
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index555 (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-08-06 05:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
114. thank you |
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eviltwin2525 (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-07-06 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
99. The problem is that this planet.... |
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