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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 09:59 AM
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Why are people so eager to characterize Lamont vs Joe as an anti-war issue
Joe is one of the most pro-corp politicians there is. His support of the accounting companies during the Clinton administration was a huge threat to the American economy and protected the wealthy and hurt working people tremendously.

Why are people so eager to frame the fight against Joe solely as being an Iraq war issue?

(I know the answer to this already, but I'm trying to channel Socrates here.)
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:02 AM
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1. People aren't. The Corporate Media, which feel they have to...
Edited on Sun Aug-06-06 10:04 AM by ClassWarrior
...homogenize everything for the least common denominator, are.

NGU.


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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:03 AM
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2. Because he's a Tool of the scary Liberal Bloggers!!!!!!
Scary!!!!! :scared:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:07 AM
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6. Right...
Edited on Sun Aug-06-06 10:07 AM by Hubert Flottz
The GOP owned Corporate Media want to paint every picture the way they see it! "Democrats" like Joe in congress are just there to smile and clap their hands for anything Bush and Cheney want to do, as long as they get their share of the fame and fortune. Joe is a DEADBEAT DEMOCRAT! We need people who want to work...for us!
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:07 AM
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8. People are doing it on Fox, but they're also doing it here:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:12 AM
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9. I'm half asleep. If you want to point me to something specific...
...please do. But don't expect me to go searching through an entire thread to make your point for you.

NGU.


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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:48 AM
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12. It's in that link
and also on Meet the Press this morning.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:04 AM
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3. Because it plays into the meme that the left (bloggers you know) are weak
on defense. Rove & CO. got tremendous mileage out of that in 2004, so they are selling a product that yielded dividends.

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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:06 AM
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4. Because it fits Karl Rove's meme for this election...
Cut 'n' run leftist Dems want to surrender against the terra-ists. Alert...alert!!! War or Terror....awwwk.....elevated terrrrrror alert!!!!!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:06 AM
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5. BINGO!
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:07 AM
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7. There was a lot of republican support wrapped up in the "kiss". It was
more than the kiss and a lot more than the war. It bugs me when Dems suck up to Bush** at those phony signings of bills- I always wonder what it means, and often think it is more than being cordial and polite.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:14 AM
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10. The people don't want a bush DINO shill anynmore!
Edited on Sun Aug-06-06 10:22 AM by Breeze54
Edited title reply as it was vague... I need more :donut: ;)

From: Adam Ruben, MoveOn.org Political Action
Date: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Help Ned Lamont Win in CT

Snip-->
Every time right-wing Republicans want to look bipartisan, Joe Lieberman is their 'go-to guy.'
He adamantly defends President Bush's Iraq fiasco.
He echoed Republicans in calling war critics unpatriotic.
He rubber-stamped illegal wiretapping.
He jumped into the Terri Schiavo tragedy.
He wavered on Social Security.

Each time, he ignored the values of Connecticut voters.

And yet, 6 months ago, Joe Lieberman's seat was considered safe.
A staunch ally of big business, he had a huge war chest and no challengers.

When progressive, antiwar businessman Ned Lamont decided to throw his hat in the ring,
pundits said he'd be lucky to get 25% of the vote.

But people responded in droves—first Connecticut voters,
then MoveOn members and others around the country.

Amazingly, Lamont is running even or better in recent polls.
The race is putting Democrats everywhere on notice that it's

time to stand up and fight for progressive values—or step aside.

This is people-powered politics.
It's everything we stand for, and we have to make sure it's successful.
<--Snip

He made his own bed, let him lay in it!!


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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:18 AM
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11. That drives me nuts too.
The war is an issue, but it really is not the main issue. There were other Senators who voted for the war, and some still support it -- they they were not targeted for retirement. Lieberman was targeted because he singlehandedly has undermined the Democrat party on issue after issue by being a prime enabler for Bush and the neocons.

Lieberman is like the single-issue abortion findies. If Bush gives them their one issue, then they will support him on anything else he does. Lieberman is that way on Israel. He is willing to support Bush in his destruction of America and the American Dream as long as Bush gives Israel everything they want.

The media doesn't want to get into that. It is so much easier to just say it is because he voted for the war.

Please note that MoveOn grew out of the disastrous Gore/Lieberman campaign, and that campaign's unwillingness to stand up to Bush DURING the campaign, and unwillingness to stand up to the election fraud AFTER the campaign. MoveOn was well established long before the Iraq war started. Many of us who have supported MoveOn have encouraged them to go after DINOs from the very start, and Lieberman is the number one DINO.

In general, I don't think it is wise to go targeting our own members, but Lieberman has been a special case. In a solidly blue state, there is no excuse for having a DINO in one of those Senate seats. A Lamont victory in November will be a pick-up for the Democrat Party.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:53 AM
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13. I agree and I disagree
Lieberman has not undermined the Dems on EVERY issue. He's a very good Dem on 90% of the issues (like civil rights), but he's a very good republican on 10% of the issues -- it just happens that those 10% are really significant issues, like, primarily (in my mind) bending over backwards for Wall Street on economic issues and secondarily promoting American imperialism (which is so much bigger an issue than just Iraq).

Framing this as a referendum on ONLY Iraq might actually do more to serve Wall St and American Imperialism in the long run (depending on who wins the general election, what kind of Senator Lamont is if he wins, and how this race is spun by the media influences the way people perceive the democratic party in races across the country).

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