Sorry Joe. Its not JUST about Iraq.

[cornermouse]

That is a major part of it, but even if you could go back and change your vote I'd still want you gone. As far as I'm concerned, its about the dirty 14 and its also about all the other key bills that you so blithely and blindly followed Bush and the republican crowd.

BTW, you DO remember that you have stated that you would go independent and run AGAINST the actual democratic candidate, don't you?

[rubberducky]

1. It`s THE kiss,stupid!!

[Patiod]

2. You beat me to it.

I've been nauseated by the MSM piling on CT Dems, basically saying that they're just mistakenly listening to the "liberal bloggers" (ooooo...scary...:scared:...liberal bloggers) and that Joe is "a valuable and rare 'centrist' in a partisan world."

Edit:

George: "you'd better dis-associate yourself from those liberal bloggers!"
Lamont: "there are hundreds of them - I don't control them"
George: "I you don't dis-associate yourself from them, we in the MSM will comb them for crazies, quote the crazies, and blame you!"
Lamont: "okay, well, then, I'll say ahead of time, I don't like crazy comments"
Geroge: "Sure you don't want to totally disavow all liberal bloggers forever and maybe come over to the dark side?"
Lamont: "Not right now"

[Clark2008]

7. Ewwww... who is this "George" person?

And how does he/she not know that the crazies are in the corporate media now?

I mean, you'd have to be insane to sell out your objective reporting abilities to suit a monied master.

[Patiod]

11. Stephanopoulos

" 'Objective reporting abilities'? What are these 'objective reporting abilities' of which you speak? Cokie and I are so far over on the Dark Side that we're not even AWARE of the concept of 'objective reporting abilities!' "

[ClassWarrior]

3. And let's not forget that Iraq is NOT just one issue...

It's lying the American people into an illegal, immoral war.

It's screwing the troops and the vets.

It's blowing the cover on a CIA agent working to find WMDs in the ME.

It's spying on American citizens.

And it's about a dozen more issues.

NGU.

[ixion]

4. yep... and don't forget the unPATRIOTic Act

:grr:

[ClassWarrior]

10. Oh yeah, how could I forget the trashing of...

...our precious Constitution? I must be half asleep.

NGU.

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. "In matters of war..."

"in matters of war, we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril"

enough said.

[Clark2008]

6. Nope - and only Jeff Greenfield in the media seems to get that:

But it's important to remember that Lieberman's problems with Democratic constituencies go back further. He has often taken positions at odds with his party's base. For instance, he supported vouchers for public school students so they might attend other schools -- a position public school teachers' unions strongly oppose. This year, both Connecticut teachers' unions have endorsed Lamont.

In the past, Lieberman has questioned the value of affirmative action. Ten years ago, he said: "Affirmative action is dividing us in ways its creators could never have intended."

It's not exactly a coincidence that prominent African-American politician Rep. Maxine Waters of California and the Rev. Al Sharpton are supporting Lamont.

And last year, he supported federal intervention in the case of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged woman at the center of a long legal battle over whether she could be taken off life support, thus aligning himself on that issue with religious conservatives. Schiavo's husband is campaigning for Lamont, and those Democrats generally unhappy with the power of the "Religious Right" gained another reason to oppose the incumbent.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/03/greenfield.lieberman/

[hopein08]

15. Jeff Greenfield's not half bad...

Annoying but doesn't seem too skewed like Bill Schneider.

Kudos to him for pointing this out and best of luck to Lamont.

[salin]

8. Ironically... imo, its about the 'elitism'.

Ironic, because it is often the moderate middle that claims the problem with more progressive dems is "elitism".

However, the Senator has had a tendency for quite some time to "know better" than other democrats and to not only tout *his* version of being a "good democrat" - but to continually chastize those that do not behave as he thinks they should behave. I get the sense that buried in that tone is the self-belief that he believes that politically he is correct (in terms of "how to win") and that is what is fueling his 'dual political citizenship' (reference to wanting to keep the option of running as an independent open, while simultaneously running in the democratic primary) - in the sense that he thinks that only *his way* can be elected, and that it would be his *duty* to run as an independent, because it is the only way *in his mind* that a non-republican could win. The idea that not only does he not have the *better insight* in how to win just doesn't seem to occur to him - and the idea that by running as an independent he might deliver the seat to a republican also probably doesn't register on his non-reflective radar.

As an example, his continued refusal to rule out the initial speculation about running as an independent (at a time when he was well ahead in the polls) - seems to be a factor in the change of political favor toward him (that is - his poll numbers dropped.) Ironic, eh? A clearly predictable result due to an arrogant and unneeded posture (at that point in the election), based on his "better political sense" than other dems... is a key factor in losing ground in his race.

I just used the most recent example of Sen. Lieberman's exhibition of his form of "I know better than the rest of you" elitism - and how flawed it is. Examples can go back to the nineties.

[lonestarnot]

9. The repiglican repukes like you for some reason pet goat.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

12. If I lived in Connecticut,

I'd vote against him for the callous disregard of rape victims.

[never_get_over_it]

13. This is when I started to hate Joe Lieberman

and NEVER understood why Al Gore chose him as a running mate.

http://nedlamont.com/news/953/joes-greatest-hits-vol-iii-the-lewinsky-scold

“The President is a role model who, because of his prominence and the moral authority that emanates from his office, sets standards of behavior for the people he serves. His duty, as the Reverand Nathan Baxter of the National Cathedral here in Washington said in a recent sermon, ‘is nothing less than the stewardship of our values.’’ So no matter how much the President or others may wish to compartmentalize the different spheres of his life, the inescapable truth is that the President’s private conduct can and often does have profound public consequences.

“In this case, the President apparently had extramarital relations with an employee half his age and did so in the workplace, in the vicinity of the Oval Office. Such behavior is not just inappropriate, it is immoral and it is harmful, for it sends a message of what is acceptable behavior to the larger American family, particularly to our children, which is as influential as the negative message that is communicated by the entertainment culture.

“If you doubt that, just ask America’s parents about the intimate and frequently unseemly sexual questions their young children have been asking them about and discussing since the President’s relationship with Ms. Lewinsky became public 7 months ago. I have had many of those conversations with parents, particularly in Connecticut, and from them I conclude that parents across our country feel much as I do that something very sad and sordid has happened in American life when I cannot watch the news on television with my 10-year-old daughter anymore.

. . .


I have one question for you soon to be EX Senator Holy Joe HYPOCRITE Lieberman

What do we tell the children about a preemptive invasion of a country based on lies that you supported and STILL SUPPORT - how do we explain that our actions have lead to the DEATH of anywhere from 100,000 to 300,000 INNOCENT Iraqis?

If the children ask please Joe for the love of God tell them that an extra marital blow job is bad but NOTHING COMPARED TO THE MURDER OF hundreds of thousands

You condemned Bill Clinton but condone George Bush - YOU MAKE ME SICK and oh yaah Bill Clinton your campaigning for this freak makes me sick too

[cornermouse]

14. I never understood why Gore picked him either.

There were so many smart, capable, experienced people he could have picked. A major disappointment.