It's NOT just because Joe supported the war.. Candidates pay attention !

[SoCalDem]

I keep seeing articles written about poor Joe Lieberman getting hell from democrats because of his support of the war, and how this senator or that will support him or not if he goes independent..

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT IRAQ !!

It's about JOE !...and it's about others like him (Zell Miller comes to mind) who claim to be democrats, and at every possible opportunity they are in the Rose Garden, elbowing their way into a picture standing next to *², grinning like a loon. These Rove-ian adventures cost our party a LOT. Our credibility is shot, every time a "commentator", "editorialist", "pundit" says.... "the bill has BI-partisan support" or ..."Even Joe Lieberman agrees with Bush on...."... ..."democRATs voted for this too..."

It's one thing to work together, and it's another entirely to cozy up to and to provide cover for the vilest republicans out there.

In a perfect world, democrats would get equal airtime and there would be plenty of time to show the nuance of this vote or that one, but we do not live in a perfect world.

Lieberman (and a few others) get themselves elected and then spend most of their time ingratiating themselves to republican powerbrokers.

The 90% voting record that he's so proud of is another anomaly too, because 90% of the things that democrats believe in, routinely get voted DOWN..so there is no danger to Lieberman (and the others) who bravely vote FOR something that they know will be defeated..

The 10% is the dangerous percentage.. When he votes WITH the republicans, that legislation actually gets passed..

It's like getting an A+ on a take-home practice exam that is "not for credit" versus an F on the final exam..

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

1. Sanctimonious Joe lost me when he told me if I or anyone else

spoke out against Bush and his policies, it was at our peril.

I WILL NOT put up with that crap! The cowed silence is what got us into this mess in the first place.

[Nikki Stone 1]

7. He actually said "at your peril"?

Yeah, I've been under a rock...

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

10. For your reading enjoyment

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/31/AR2006073100928.html

A Primary Lesson for Lieberman

By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Tuesday, August 1, 2006; Page A17


Lieberman's core problem was not even his support for the Iraq war. It was his eagerness to challenge the legitimacy of fellow Democrats who have called attention to the administration's mistakes. Lieberman, confident of Democratic support, seemed to crave the affection of Republicans most of all.

The statement that did more than anything to power this primary challenge was a comment Lieberman made in December.

"It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be the commander in chief for three more critical years," Lieberman said, "and that in matters of war, we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril." The implication that there is something wrong with criticizing George W. Bush is unacceptable to most Democrats, who believe that Bush himself has done the most to undermine his own credibility.]

[Nikki Stone 1]

13. So we criticize Junior at our peril, but Lieberman can trash Clinton for

consensual sex? It's ok to render a president ineffective over a personal matter?

[joemurphy]

2. Some of it is Anti-Incumbency. Some of it's the War and Some of

it's Joe.

I think a big part of the "message" from Connecticut is that America is sick to death of ALL of the bozos, Republican and Democratic, that have made the mess that this country now finds itself in.

[sendero]

4. I tried making that point...

... in a thread this morning (anti-incumbency), but the idea got shot down pretty good. But I still believe that is a big part of it.

People are fed up with Republicans, but they really aren't all that happy with Dems either, and polls show that again and again.

If that's not anti-incumbency, I don't know what is. After all, the Republicans made most of this mess, but they didn't get much resistance along the way either.

[joemurphy]

8. I think a lot of Dems are going to be tarred by this War.

Hillary's on the wrong side of it. As are Kerry and Edwards. I think that there'll be reckoning on our side of the fence too. A debacle of the magnitude of Iraq can't just be spun away.

[SoCalDem]

9. By not being the OPPOSITION party, we have dug a deep hole

The people we have (most of them) are too afraid of being called names..republicans have a stranglehold on the language.. If they vote against something horrible, they might be called "obstructionist", so they go along..

They should demand airtime and say "DAMNED right..I voted AGAINST a very bad bill"..

[Not Me]

3. Next DINO to target: Bill Nelson D?-FL

I SO wish there was a real Dem here in FL that would challenge this asswipe.

[napi21]

5. I still don't understand why all radio & TV keep saying the revolt

against Joe is because of his stance on Iraq? I don't live in CT, but I don't want Joe out of the Senate JUST because of Iraq! I'm tired of holding my breath every time there's an important vote that is going to be really close, and we all have to wonder "How is Joe going to vote on this one?"

I can think of MANY! The bankruptcy bill certainly is a BIG ONE! How about the votes on all of Shrub's judicial nominees?

[SoCalDem]

6. Why they say Iraq?

Because if they said otherwise, they might have to actually give airtime, column inches to democratic ideas, instead of just attacking democrats for being mean to poor ole joe

[opihimoimoi]

11. It was the KISS that got me....lol

[joemurphy]

12. You had a lot of company. Bad judgment. We don't need

Senators with bad judgment.

[opihimoimoi]

15. Presinents either...bad judgement stems from Bad Voting..gets you

bad leaders...who make bum deals and shit..

[joemurphy]

16. Yeah, we've gotta shoulder some blame. But elections

in the U.S. make good judgments difficult for a lot of the people.

[opihimoimoi]

17. For the Most Part, the Dems do what is best for the Common Good

The Pubs do what they can get away with....

They make the laws favoring themselves, Classic Legal Plunder

[benddem]

14. let me count the ways

the Energy Bill
the bankruptcy bill
the Iraq war and his continued cheerleading and telling us to mind the fuhrer
telling women who'd been raped they could get in a cab and go to another hospital to get the morning after pill
his connection with Lynn Cheney in their attempt to rout professors they didn't like
his attempts to censor music
and just the condescending way he speaks. The way he acts when he's cornered makes me ill.
If I was from Connecticut I'd be out working for Lamont.