Ken Lay in Switzerland?

[Catherine Vincent]

A friend of mine that is in the military told me and some friends the other day that his team had a briefing on Ken Lay and that he was moved to Switzerland with the help of the military. I don't know if it's true or not but my friend has been in the miltary over twenty years and he would not lie about such a thing. What do you think?

[LSparkle]

1. More plausible than a convenient heart attack right before sentencing

[MrCoffee]

6. He'll have company soon...

Katherine Harris (to keep her quiet about 2000);
Jeff Skilling (because he knows what REALLY happened in Cali);
Jack Abramoff (because he's got the dirt);
The rest of the War Criminals (I mean Bush Administration, sorry, a freudian slip there)

[rinsd]

20. Huh?

Its more plausible that the military assisted Lay's relocation and is now briefing select personnel not involved in the actual "escape" about it than a man in his 60's under tremendous stress having a heart attack?

:eyes:

[MrCoffee]

Hey

Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.

[LSparkle]

26. We live in "interesting" times ... Alice in Wonderland times ...

Traditional logic? I threw it out the window 6 years ago.

[rinsd]

28. I can see your perspective.

[valerief]

34. I know someone whose wife's father knows Lay's doctor.

Lay's heart was in perfect condition.

[rinsd]

36. I hope you forgot the sarcasm tag

[valerief]

50. Nope. this is truth. n/t

[elehhhhna]

58. before or after he died? He'd had a previous heart "attack".

[valerief]

68. Well, I guess if his previous heart attacks were written about after

his *death* then they must be true. :sarcasm: I'm only passing on what I was told. I don't expect anyone to believe it, but I don't believe my source is lying. Maybe he was lied to.

[liberal N proud]

2. Wouldn't surprise me at all

Did anyone actually check to see if it was Kenny in the box as they lowered it into the ground?

[never_get_over_it]

7. I think he was supposedly cremated - eom

[liberal N proud]

supposedly being the operative here

And if he was supposedly cremated, there would be no way to prove definitively that it was he.

[never_get_over_it]

38. How convenient!!!! eom

[shanti]

51. there ya go

verrrrrry convenient, eh? :eyes:

[spanone]

3. Nothing surprises me.

[savemefromdumbya]

4. Like Barbara Olsen?

:evilgrin:

[never_get_over_it]

10. Well I have a friend that was on Barbara's plane

any ideas where she is?

[savemefromdumbya]

23. me too

[patcox2]

29. I know a guy who saw elvis.

He also said they keep the aliens at Wright Patterson.

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. !

:tinfoilhat:

[savemefromdumbya]

22. did you notice the

:evilgrin:

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. Okay, good to know!

:yoiks: Never can be to sure here. :evilgrin: Although I have been know to don a :tinfoilhat: from time to time! :rofl:

[Judi Lynn]

16. A moment of silence to remember Barbara Olson's sweet dear face!

[cali]

54. I'm sorely tempted

to say something that would be zapped, so let me just ask you to use your dear, sweet imagination. I had no use for Barbara Olsen, to put it mildly, but I wouldn't have wished that on anyone, and mocking her, in light of the terror she experienced, is something I find contemptible.

[elehhhhna]

59. oh no you di'n't lmao

[LeftCoast]

5. I heard he was hanging out with Elvis in a Swiss Chalet

:rofl:

[elehhhhna]

60. You forgot Jim Morrisson

[TomInTib]

8. I wouldn't doubt it at all.

If he were to be spirited out of the country it would surely be through military channels.

Our military has a long history on this sort of operation.

[liberalmuse]

9. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

And if true, I hope someone publicly comes forward.

[trotsky]

11. Sounds a lot more complicated and problematic...

than just filing a couple of appeals to last until January 2009, at which time Chimpy could have just pardoned him, and political fallout would have been harmless.

I think Key Lay is worm food.

[valerief]

17. Nah, rolling over and playing is easiest on all parties. n/t

[elehhhhna]

62. Maybe he said "DE-LAY"? As in Tom?

[Demobrat]

12. If it's true, your friend is obviously not the only one who knows.

What would the penalty be for talking about it? Why would he take the risk?

[Catherine Vincent]

32. That's what I want to know.

Why would he take the risk. He said it in front of his daughter, my niece and her fiance. We were watching the DVD Painful Deceptions and out of the blue he brought up Ken Lay. :shrug:

[valerief]

14. Yodel-LAY-He-Who! n/t

He could be on a satellite orbiting the planet, too. He could be anywhere. They burned any possible evidence.

[chimpymustgo]

37. valerie! Post of the day!

:rofl:

[windbreeze]

55. omg...that was perfect....

needed a chuckle...you provided it...
windbreeze

[elehhhhna]

63. he's making cough drop commercial for pin money

[Cha]

70. That is good! But, if kenny

boy still lives among us..then someday it will get out because too many people can't keep a big Secret like that.

he better be having some facial reconstrution in Switzerland. :+

[Catherine Vincent]

77. I'm just now getting this!

Thanks for the chuckle. :hi:

[bryant69]

15. I had a friend who told me he was working the squishee machine in

downtown Boise Idaho. I don't know what to think about this, but my friend is pretty knowledgable about squishees and he wouldn't lie to me.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. !

:evilgrin:

[rinsd]

18. I have a friend in the Air Force who swore that TWA 800 was shot down

He said he was briefed about it with some others. That a missile had been launched by a Navy ship accidently.

He wasn't happy when I didn't let the tall tale go on by asking why the AF would brief a non-com security officer who was about to ship out to Minot about this? Or why he ignored the supposed strict orders to keep it quiet by sharing it with us.

Some people like their tall tales but the military and fishing seem to bring out the most.

[adriennui]

31. there were many witnesses who saw 800 being shot down

it wasn't mass hysteria or drunkeness, but people who own homes on the shore and saw the same thing.

[rinsd]

33. Sigh

Did you read what I just wrote.

I have a friend who wanted to look like a big shot and in the know. So he fed us a story that was probably scuttle butt.

And as far as witnesses etc. I see nothing here that convinces me as the stories just don;t seem right. Much like my buddy who crammed in enough details to make it plausible.

http://www.flight800.org/eye2.html

[adriennui]

45. the stories just don't seem right......

it's as plausible as some of the other fanciful conspiracies which have less credibility than the "official" story of flight 800. then we have the flight in november of 2001 which exploded soon after takeoff from jfk.
no causes were ever found except some story about a spark in thefuel tank which no one believes.

[Selatius]

19. You shouldn't believe your friend unless he has photos/documents on hand.

Otherwise, he can be accused of blowing smoke up your ass.

[Bretttido]

27. Smells like someone who ran out of good stories to tell.

[adriennui]

24. where is the missus?

[leftofthedial]

25. trust me

all these criminal bastards have their escapes planned

[malaise]

30. Good thing the Swiss have all those

'watch factories'. Still his death was way too convenient.

[drm604]

35. Why would his team be briefed on that?

And why would the military be used to move him? Wouldn't a disguise, a fake ID, and a plane ticket be more discreet than involving a bunch of military personnel?

I'm not saying that there isn't anything suspicious about the timing of Lay's death, just that this particular story doesn't sound plausible to me.

[MagickMuffin]

39. I would think he would have access to

Air Force 1 or 2. After all, those two owed him for all the air travel on the Enron corporate plane during the 2000 campaign.

Maybe he flew with Mad king Boy George when he went to Germany:rofl:

[drm604]

49. But,

why would cat_girl25's friend have been briefed on this? I would think they would want to tell as few people as possible about it. What purpose does an after the fact military briefing serve?

[Hubert Flottz]

40. Switzerland would have been my guess as to where he'd go.

That's Enron's new home country too I think. UBS Enron??????????

Can UBS Tame Enron's Wild Traders?

That's the key question facing the Swiss bank as it prepares to take over the Texas company's energy-trading business

snip...


"SMOOTHING ELEMENT." UBS officials insist that they have no rosy delusions about the investment. That's partly because they had been researching the energy-trading business for more than a year as a way of diversifying the bank's trading income. "Earnings in the energy-trading business do not depend on developments in the capital markets, so they could work as a smoothing element," says UBS President Peter A. Wuffli.

That's in fact what motivated UBS to send a small team down to Houston when Enron put the business up for sale after the bankruptcy filing. Even after federal antitrust authorities give the final go-ahead, the Swiss bank says it plans to take things slowly. "We don't know how quickly this is going to start up," says UBS CEO John Costas. "We'd be happy in the first year if this business is half as big as it had been historically."

Still, anything associated with Enron is arguably fraught with risk at any price. "It's not clear how successful UBS is going to be," says Jeff Dietert, an analyst at investment bank Simmons & Co. in Houston. "And I think UBS knows that. That's why it wasn't willing to pay anything up front."

Some industry insiders doubt that Enron's traders will prove to be exceptional under the new rules. But UBS isn't about to change its own way of doing business. "Entering into energy trading does not mean extending our appetite for risk," says Wuffli. Swiss family Enron? Don't bet the chalet on it. MORE...

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/feb2002/nf2002026_4221.htm

UBS

snip...

UBS was formed through a merger of the Union Bank of Switzerland and the Swiss Bank Corporation in June 1998. The first chairman of the merged bank had to step back in October 1998 due to the Long-Term Capital Management crisis, which affected the Union Bank of Switzerland. UBS is no longer an acronym but is the company's brand, like 3M or BP. In 2000 it acquired PaineWebber Group Inc. to become the world's largest wealth management firm for private clients. Invested assets in all wealth management businesses, including the U.S., total CHF 2.766 trillion.

UBS is present in all major financial centers worldwide, with offices in 50 countries. According to the UBS website, the bank had 70,210 employees on March 31, 2006. The 2006 Q1 report breaks these Financial Business permanent staff down by region as: 25,645 in Switzerland, 27,356 in the Americas, in 11,341 in Europe, the Middle East and Africa (not including Switzerland), and 5,868 in Asia and Australasia. MOre...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBS_AG

SEC SUES UBS WARBURG FOR RESEARCH ANALYST CONFLICTS OF INTEREST FIRM TO SETTLE WITH SEC, NASD, NYSE, NY ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND STATE REGULATORS

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr18112.htm

[Crabby Appleton]

48. UBS closed down

the trading operation they "bought" (for a % of future profits, no money down) once they realized the many problems associated with the deal. Laid off nearly all the former enron they acquired with the operation.

[Onlooker]

41. Your friend could get rich!

Point out to your friend that he can get evidence, he has an awfully valuable story to sell.

[KurtNYC]

47. Clifford Baxter had an interesting story to tell also

but it died with him.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/25/enron.suicide/

[elehhhhna]

64. ambien induced sleep-eating? Sure. Suiciding? Not so much.

[EC]

42. Kinda like in this book?

I wonder if anyone in the White House reads Grisham?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Broker

[Dover]

43. Elvis has left the building..........lol!

I expect we'll be getting alot of "Lay sitings", and they'll be treated like UFO sitings.

[roody]

44. Doesn´t the Bush crime family

prefer Kenny Boy dead?

[Truthiness Inspector]

52. I heard he bought gas at Graceland today

How well do you know this friend? Is it possible he was pulling your leg?

[lovuian]

53. Olsen was in the Vatican and Ken in Switzerland

I believe it... can you imagine working for Bush in the military... harboring criminals isn't amazing!!!

[cynatnite]

56. So you don't know if this is true or not, but your friend wouldn't lie?

Appears to me you have some doubts.

[undeterred]

57. Maybe he needed to do some banking.

:shrug:

[FUGW]

61. You don't know if it's true or not but your friend wouldn't lie,

I'm I missing something here or is this the dumbest post ever?

[elehhhhna]

65. No, it's not. Stick around.

[Moochy]

72. Still waiting..

Wait was there some round up by Agent Mike planned for Sunday nite?

Plumbing for a leak? :tinfoilhat: :rofl:

[onenote]

73. nah, just tied with a bunch of other tinfoil posts

[LibDemAlways]

66. Why would anyone find this farfetched or

outside the realm of possibility? Lay was (is?) a filthy rich crooked SOB with connections to the highest levels of government. If they wanted to save his ass from prison and protect his assets, they have the means to make it happen. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

67. This wouldn't surprise me at all.

[bridgit]

69. Switzerland? perfect, great place to stash all ill-gotten gains...

no questions asked, the essence of gentile civility x(

[elehhhhna]

71. Not so much anymore. Caymans, Isle of Man, there are more secure banking

systems offshore than just the Swiss, now.

[bridgit]

74. i figured why not Brazil, where the rest of the 'boys' are but what...

do i know :shrug: the caymans are a great place if you wanna run a 'girls gone wild DVD operation' of some kind, but i don't see Ken Lay in beach bum attire sucking on a Corona inside a grass shack http://www.caymanislands.ky

:rofl:

[elehhhhna]

75. CI's are too small. He'd be spotted, I'm sure.

[bridgit]

80. i can just see him now in the alps sipping espresso...

[RB TexLa]

76. Elvis is in Holland, Bigfoot is in Belgium, ...

[nolabels]

83. Get some scooby snacks, we'ill smoke em all out

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0002WYRT6/202-8340354-3751018?v=glance&n=283926

[City Lights]

78. We are talking BFEE here.

Anything is possible. No :tinfoilhat: needed.

[Superman Returns]

79. only one way to know

I got a shovel ready, anyone in?

[sandnsea]

81. I think you completely made that shit up

That's what I think, since you asked.

[Catherine Vincent]

82. No, I don't make shit up.

I don't know if I should believe my friend but like I said, he's been in the military over 20 years. I didn't question him, we all just laughed and I asked him if he was supposed to tell us that and he said no. And we all just dropped it. :shrug:

[ContraBass Black]

84. I think it's less likely than him actually being dead.