About Hillary's performance yesterday.

[BuyingThyme]

Was her attack on Rumsfeld prompted by Lieberman's pending disaster?

I mean, how did Hillary go from being Joe Lieberman to being Ted Kennedy?

And how does this woman get away with blaming Rumsfeld for the policies which she's so aggressively supported? She seems to think all New Yorkers are morons (not to be confused with Morans).

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. I asked the same thing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1809519&mesg_id=1809519

Lots of skepticism thought.

[BuyingThyme]

3. You sure did.

It's bizarre how she thinks she can direct this stuff at Rumsfeld before addressing it herself. It's like she skipped a step. She forgot to admit that she's a total screw-up who cost thousands of innocent people their lives. That's kind of like skipping the step where you put landing gear on the plane.

[rodeodance]

4. that thread fell into a Hillary bash. Very little of substance.

[rodeodance]

8. from her website--

http://clinton.senate.gov/

Senator Clinton Highlights Secretary Rumsfeld’s Pattern of Painting Rosy Picture of Iraq more >

Senator Clinton Introduces Bill to Provide Low-Income Families with Options for Meeting Infant Care Needs more >

Senator Clinton Presses Secretary Rumsfeld on Bush Administration Policy on Iraq more >

[tridim]

2. Her internal polling must be showing it's safe to attack Rummy

That's all I can figure. If so, it's good news regardless if Hillary gets a boost.

[BuyingThyme]

5. I don't know. I'd kinda like to see Hillary get Liebermanned.

What's the New Yorker's equivalent of a Ned Lamont? I guess if we knew, he wouldn't really be a Ned Lamont.

[AlGore-08.com]

9. Her primary challenger is Tasini, if that's what you're asking

http://www.tasinifornewyork.org/

[NewYorkerfromMass]

6. I am sure she is still in agreement with John McCain

that we need more troops in Iraq, not less.

[BuyingThyme]

7. Funny thing how she hasn't explained her new take on things.

[AlGore-08.com]

10. To be totally cynical Rumsfeld was confirmed on a voice vote in the Senate

There's no way to tell if she voted for or against his confirmation, so it's definitely "safe" to criticize him now.

[BattyDem]

11. I enjoyed seeing her go after Rummy, but ...

I agree - she skipped a step. She and many other Dems made a HUGE mistake in supporting the Iraq war. However, as a liberal, I'm willing to forgive people for their mistakes - as long as they admit the mistake and try to make amends. Hillary has done neither. "Forgive me because I'm on your side now" is simply not good eough. JMHO

[peacetalksforall]

19. BettyDem - you're a better person than I - I'm a liberal, but I have had a

difficult time forgiving her mistake of what I call voting for the killing.

She skates all over the line the way I see the line that we need to follow to save our country. Her votes, cozying, and lunches mystify me.

I can't remember all the disapointing votes, but neither can I think of a precise vote I approved of. She was at Bill's bedside during the bancruptcy vote so we will never know what she would have done on that one.

She and Schumer read some pulse that doesn't include me.

Anyway, thank you for being forgiving - forgiveness by several people is
needed to make up for my lack of forgiveness at this time. It'll take more than the Rumsfeld call to turn me. I want to see a steady line toward progressiveness.

[BattyDem]

20. Actually, I said I'm WILLING to forgive people for their mistakes ...

as long as they admit the mistake and try to make amends. Hillary's simply trying to get people to forget about her mistake by being "anti-war" now. That's not good enough. I'm tired of politicians who cast their votes and take a stand based on what's politically popular at the moment - I want people who will always stand up for what's right ... period! When they do make mistakes - and they will because they're human - I want an admission, an apology and a real attempt to make things right. I know I'm being naive and politicians will probably never behave that way, but I honestly believe our elected officials should take responsibility for their actions. I'd have far more respect for them.

I'm still angry with her and I agree with you completely: I want to see a steady line toward progressiveness, too. No more pandering to the right!

[rodeodance]

12. trans. of" "I have never painted a rosy picture" (Rummy)

.http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=261289&&

August 3, 2006

Senator Clinton Highlights Secretary Rumsfeld’s Pattern of Painting Rosy Picture of Iraq

Washington, DC – In an exchange during today’s Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld asserted he has “never painted a rosy picture” of the war on Iraq. In response, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton submitted the following statement for the record showing a pattern of comments by Secretary Rumsfeld, both in appearances before Congress and in news media and other forums. The following is the text of Senator Clinton’s statement for the record to the Senate Armed Services Committee:

Statement for the Record by Senator Clinton

In the August 3 Armed Services Committee hearing, I had the following exchange with Secretary Rumsfeld:

CLINTON: Well, Mr. Secretary, I know you would, and I know you feel strongly about it, but there's a track record here. This is not 2002, 2003, 2004, '5, when you appeared before this committee and made many comments and presented many assurances that have, frankly, proven to be unfulfilled. And...

RUMSFELD: Senator, I don't think that's true. I have never painted a rosy picture. I've been very measured in my words. And you'd have a dickens of a time trying to find instances where I've been excessively optimistic. I understand this is tough stuff.

I ask unanimous consent that the following quotes from Secretary Rumsfeld be included in the record:

[sam sarrha]

13. it doesnt matter after you pick up the fallen colors.. who else did it.??

[dogday]

14. I can't keep up with her stance on the issues

she seems to change up things depending on whatever information she has been given... They all are getting the message that the Democrats do not want the war because of what is happening with Lieberman... She needs to support a end to this war because it is the right thing to do....

[rodeodance]

15. There is a long list of Rummy quotes on her website here:

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=261289&&

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. I don't care. The fact is she called him out, and made him foolish

Like her or not, she carved him up good and proper.

[napi21]

17. I don't think she ever supported Rummy's plan!

She did vote fauth. to use force, but even I THEN believed it a good idea for a Prez to be able to go the the table with the authority to back up his words. I honestly didn't know he was such a wild cat and was lying when he said he would only use that auth. as a last resort!

Remember, the idiot was only in office for a couple of months back then, and I think all the Dems who voted for the auth to use force believed what Shrub promised.

Right NOW, I think we should pull out, BUT I do think the US owes it to Iraq to compensate them for the damn mess we made! We ruined their infrastructure, blew up their buildings, and screwed up their oil production. I don't know how we should compensate them for doing that; maybe money, or something, but I think you are falsely accusing Hillary of lying when I believe she voted and supported what she thought was right at the time.

[opihimoimoi]

18. She has more good in her than bad...she would make a fine Leader of this

Nation..Senator/President/Vice President/UN Ambassador/ SoS/etc.

I trust her much more than any PUB..dats fer sure...

[Jacobin]

21. So, a Different plan would have worked?

I have a lot of trouble with some people who say that if we had just invaded and occupied Iraq 'correctly' that all would have been well.

Invading and occupying a country that has not attacked you is never ever right and this will never ever work.

Hillary is one of those who thinks Rumsfeld implemented HER strategy of invading and conquering Iraq 'incorrectly' and so she's embarrassed and is stomping her feet that he didn't do it 'right'

I cannot stand her. She is beyond insufferable. And she is naive.

[pberq]

22. Part of it has to do with fact that she has no difference of

opinion on going in to Iraq to begin with, only how it has been handled.

[Disturbed]

23. "forget about her mistake by being "anti-war"

She is not "anti-War". She visited Iraq in '05 and said that the War was going well and that the Insurgency was close to being defeated. Dissing Rumsfailed is a no brainer. She knows that Rumsfailed won't resign or be fired by Busholini.