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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:15 AM
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Fundy LDS member's trial: Polygamist gets 45 days for sex with minor
KINGMAN, Ariz. -- Polygamist Kelly Fischer was sentenced to 45 days in jail and three years of probation Wednesday for having sex with one of his "celestial wives" when she was no older than 16.

The sentence, which also requires Fischer, 39, to register as a sex offender, disappointed Mohave County prosecutor Matt Smith.

Fischer was convicted of sexual conduct with a minor and conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor for having sex with Jenny Steed, who bore him a child five years ago when she was 16...

Fischer was legally married to another woman when Steed was assigned as his "celestial wife," a common polygamous practice of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Aug-03-Thu-2006/news/8859902.html
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:37 AM
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1. OK, I read the article 3 times and still don't get it.
What's with the judge, Conn, assuming this wasn't a jury trial. 45 days is the best he could do??? Sorry, I don't get it.

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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:41 AM
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2. Here:
"Fischer was convicted of sexual conduct with a minor and conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor for having sex with Jenny Steed, who bore him a child five years ago when she was 16.

"Steed refused to cooperate with prosecutors and sent a letter to Conn in support of Fischer."

No victim, no case.
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:56 AM
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3. I read that part.
Why does the letter of support bear more weight than the fact he committed statutory rape? In cases of spousal abuse, a lot of victims don't cooperate with prosecutors (because of retaliation) but that doesn't mean the abuser is not prosecuted.

Ms. Steed was clearly victimized and it drives me crazy that Warren Jeffs isn't behind bars.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:17 AM
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4. he WAS convicted-- the law is clear...
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 02:17 AM by mike_c
...but the judge apparently has quite a bit of sentencing discretion, and since the victim claims not to have been harmed, and supported leniency, the judge apparently decided that the state's interest was not strictly on revenge. I'm no fan of LDS fundamentalism, but in this case I tend to agree with the judge that the circumstances in this case didn't warrant harsher punishment. The whole LDS fundy polygamist system is awful, but IT wasn't on trial.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 03:46 AM
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5. mike_c, I see your point, but in the end, I have to disagree....
In this country, we've been sold on the idea that stiff prison sentences act as a deterrent. But the prisons seem to just keep getting bigger. And more of them. We've been on this tract for so long, that we are building old folks prisons for elderly criminals. So while this fact belies the cogency of the idea of "prisons as deterrence," I'd be hard pressed to know what to put in its place given the abandonment in social services and education that are a part of this process.

Having sex with a minor in most states is a felony, and at sixteen, her age would give judges some area of discretion as to her knowledge and ability to give consent. However, in most cases these girls (and many of the women in general that live in these communities), have little knowledge of alternatives, or for that matter, much knowledge of the outside world. And if that is so here, one would hardly agree that she is capable of making "an informed decision." Generally, the law in most cases tends to err against allowing "minor consent." This was seen earlier in the national news where a juvenile judge in Ohio jailed the 15 year-old "victim" for contempt, because she wouldn't stop seeing the accused -- her boyfriend in his early 20s. Her mother brought the action.

But if there was ever a place where we needed a "deterrent," its here. Where the victims are truly taken advantage of and have few options and alternatives. The very people who are these girl's parents and their nurturers are enslaving them into this system. It is a barbaric and ancient practice and should cease. Not only because of its basic inequities, but it fosters and supports the suppression of women in particular. Making them subject to all of the males in those communities. And there is little escape.

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