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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 06:36 PM
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Uri Avnery Did Not Write - Mobilize to avenge the blood of Qana
Uri Avnery Did Not Write - "Mobilize to avenge the blood of Qana"

(If you forwarded this or published it.. or blogged it... please correct ASAP.

See cross post in Israel and Palestine Forum.)

MY QUESTIONS:
How dammaging is this?
How did this happen?
Who did it?
Why?
How widespread is it already... I have already received one email copy of the original?
Has it been translated?
Is other fake material - allegedly by notable peaceniks circulating?

Look for yourself.... Search engines at least are doing their best to correct this quickly. But as we know some people's computers won't search google and others do not know it exists.

GOOGLE - http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-25,GGLG:en&q=Mobilize+to+avenge+the+blood+of+Qana
YAHOO - http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-msgr&p=Mobilize%20to%20avenge%20the%20blood%20of%20Qana

BACKGROUND: Uri Avnery is a truly brilliant writer and and peacemaker with the most impeccable credentials. This is the first time this has happened so far as I am aware.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14288.htm
Mobilize to avenge the blood of Qana



By Redress Information & Analysis

07/31/06 "Redress Information & Analysis" -- -- George Bush and his vassal, Tony Blair, are no statesmen. They are war criminals. They claim to be pious Christians. They are the physical manifestation of the devil himself.

Interviewed by the BBC's political editor, Nick Robinson, on Saturday 30 July, Blair repeatedly declined to call for an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon.

"Give Israel time to do its job of destruction. Let Israel annihilate Hizbullah and, preferably, Syria as well. When this is done, we shall call for a ceasefire." This is the conclusion which any reasonable person watching Blair's interview would draw. Indeed, it is the conclusion which Nick Robinson himself drew - he said so himself in conversation with the television news presenter after the interview.

Well, Israel has done its job. At least 60 innocent civilians, including many children, were murdered on Sunday 30 July, the very next day after Blair's interview, when Israeli warplanes bombed the basement in which they were sheltering. And still, Bush's vassal will not call for an immediate ceasefire. The closest he would come to this is to call for a ceasefire "as soon as possible", i.e. when Israel has completed its job of murder and destruction.

If there is anyone out there who is still wondering why Arabs and Muslims view Britain and the United States as their implacable enemies, then look no further. To the analysts, experts and commentators, whether in the media or in academia, who are still befuddled as to why Arabs and Muslims are turning to "extremism" and terrorism, we say this: replay the images of murder in Qana, Tyre, Sidon, Beirut and Gaza, then listen again to the war criminal Bush and his poodle Blair resisting calls for a ceasefire, and you have the answer.

Bush and Blair have blood on their hands, oceans of Arab and Muslim blood! The innocents in Lebanon and occupied Palestine are paying a heavy price for the crimes of these two maverick Christian Zionists.

Sadly, many other innocents, not only in the Middle East, but also in Bush's and Blair's own countries will almost certainly pay a heavy price for the actions of these two criminals. For who can doubt that the images of murder in Lebanon and Gaza will inspire many Muslims all over the world to seek revenge? And the victims will almost certainly not be Bush, Blair or the militarist Zionist clique which rules Israel, but innocent people in Europe and the United States.

We urge our Arab and Muslim brothers and sisters not to let murder inspire you to commit murder in revenge, from which only Israel and its allies will gain. Instead, think strategically. Let the blood of the innocents in Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq inspire you to mobilize to isolate Israel and its patrons, politically by seizing the moment and highlighting the reality of Zionism to Western publics, and economically by accelerating the campaign to boycott Israeli goods. It is this, not an eye for an eye, that will ultimately defeat Israel and its imperialist masters, as happened with apartheid South Africa before it. Revenge is a dish best served cold

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/qana.htm
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 06:56 PM
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1. Thank you posting this
I have read the article in question this afternoon and was shocked and amazed Mr. Uri Avnery can write any suck article. I am familiar with Mr. Avnery's articles and read them numerous times at counterpunch.org. Again, I thank you for the correction. It shows that times like this desperate people will do anything to advance their ideology in defense of IOF policies in the Middle East.


K&R
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:08 PM
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2. Israel & Palestine Cross Post... No Replies there at present...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:23 PM
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3. Final paragraph changes....
As above.. received by email by me....

"We urge our Arab and Muslim brothers and sisters not to let murder inspire you to commit murder in revenge, from which only Israel and its allies will gain. Instead, think strategically. Let the blood of the innocents in Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq inspire you to mobilize to isolate Israel and its patrons, politically by seizing the moment and highlighting the reality of Zionism to Western publics, and economically by accelerating the campaign to boycott Israeli goods. It is this, not an eye for an eye, that will ultimately defeat Israel and its imperialist masters, as happened with apartheid South Africa before it. Revenge is a dish best served cold "


Now Reads

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/qana.htm

"To our Arab and Muslim brothers and sisters: we urge you not to let the Anglo-American-backed murder inspire you to spell innocent blood in revenge, from which only Israel and its allies will gain. Instead, think strategically. Let the blood of the innocents in Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq inspire you to mobilize to isolate Israel and its patrons, politically by seizing the moment and exposing the reality of Zionism to Western publics, and economically by accelerating the campaign to divest from Israel and to boycott Israeli products. It is this, not an eye for an eye, that will ultimately defeat Israel and its imperialist masters, as happened with apartheid South Africa before it. Turn your rage into a noose to strangle the Zionists economically and cut off their political oxygen. Revenge is a dish best served cold "

FWIW.. the first version was better.

I.E. We urge our Arab and Muslim brothers and sisters not to let murder inspire you to commit murder in revenge, from which only Israel and its allies will gain.

vs

To our Arab and Muslim brothers and sisters: we urge you not to let the Anglo-American-backed murder inspire you to spell innocent blood in revenge, from which only Israel and its allies will gain.

(It makes less sense and has a spelling error.)

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/qana.htm
NOTE THERE IS NO NOTE ON THIS PAGE CORRECTING THE URI AVNERY ATTRIBUTION

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:20 PM
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15. Research: last-modified date for the ICH url is 1 Aug, 2:21 GMT
n/t
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:33 PM
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4. The article has been circulated and remains uncorrected in lots of places.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 05:24 AM
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20. Palestine Chronical has corrected now...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:34 PM
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5. Real Avnery.......
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 07:37 PM by althecat
His own website - Gush Shalom..
LATEST: http://www.avnery-news.co.il/english/index.html
INDEX: http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/
Gush Shalom

On Scoop...
%3BLH%3A58%3BLW%3A189%3BBGC%3Awhite%3BT%3A%23000000%3BLC%3A%230000CC%3BVLC%3A%230000CC%3BALC%3A%230000CC%3BGALT%3A%23008000%3BGFNT%3A%23000000%3BGIMP%3A%23000000%3BDIV%3A%230000CC%3BLBGC%3Awhite%3BAH%3Aleft%3B&domains=www.scoop.co.nz&q=uri+avnery&sitesearch=www.scoop.co.nz
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:37 PM
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6. If this had been by Avnery...
...it would have shown up on his own group's website. Which, needless to say, it has not.

I would note that the link you give now lists the article as being by "Redress Information & Analysis." Avnery's name is nowhere to be found on that page.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:39 PM
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7. I have just emailed the source website... We need someone to dig here...
Please vote this up... look at the list of URLS this is on uncorrected above. These people need to all be emailed and asked to correct.

Uri Avnery would never use the word REVENGE & AVENGE.... this is a very clever and sophisticated piece of misinformation by someone.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:44 PM
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8. Copy Of My Email To redress@btinternet.com
From: Alastair Thompson <alastair@scoop.co.nz>
To: redress@btinternet.com
Subject: CORRECTION REQUIRED: Please Place A Uri Avnery Correction On Your Version Of This....
Date sent: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:43:06 +1200
Send reply to: alastair@scoop.co.nz
Copies to: info@gush-shalom.org, tom@informationclearinghouse.info
BCC to: info@gush-shalom.org


Somehow your article has been circulated by

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14288.htm
&
http://www.palestinechronicle.org/story-08010642101.htm
&
http://islamicsydney.com/story.php?id=2797
&
http://www.mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=541047
&
http://keld.newsvine.com/_news/2006/07/31/307411-mobilize-to-avenge-the-blood-of-qana
&
http://www.countercurrents.org/leb-avnery310706.htm (NOW FIXED)
&
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=1093122222
&
http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1194
&
http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1194#comment-303

PLEASE CORRECT YOUR VERSION IMMEDIATELY AT THE TOP SO SEARCH ENGINES CATCH IT.....

I have no idea how this happened and am keen to find out.

When was your piece posted?
Why Has it now been changed.... (Specifically the final para)?
Who submitted it to Information Clearing House?

regards
Alastair Thompson
Co-Editor
Scoop.co.nz
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:47 PM
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9. I trust nothing from the Israeli goverment
or the IDF. Thank you for this.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:50 PM
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10. ARCHIVE OF VERSIONS OF ARTICLE....
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 07:50 PM by althecat
ARCHIVE OF VERSIONS OF ARTICLE....

Hopefully the source version will soon change to reflect this attribution mistake made by ICH.

Was ICH the source from which all these other publications received it. If not what is the common link.

In the meantime since the original has started to change it seems prudent to get a few copies recorded.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:51 PM
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11. Mobilize to avenge the blood of Qana - 3 August 2006 - 12:50pm NZT
Thinkpiece
Mobilize to avenge the blood of Qana
By Redress Information & Analysis
31 July 2006
________________________________________
| HOME | THINKPIECE MENU |
________________________________________
Redress Information & Analysis calls on all Arabs and Muslims to think strategically and mobilize to isolate Israel and its allies in revenge for the murder of innocents in Lebanon and Palestine.
George Bush and his vassal, Tony Blair, are no statesmen. They are war criminals. They claim to be devout Christians. They are in fact the physical manifestation of the devil himself.
Interviewed by the BBC's political editor, Nick Robinson, on Saturday 29 July, Blair repeatedly declined to call for an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon.
"Give Israel time to do its job of destruction. Let Israel annihilate Hizbullah and, hopefully, Syria as well. When this is done, we shall call for a ceasefire." This is the conclusion which any reasonable person watching Blair's interview would draw. Indeed, it is the conclusion which Nick Robinson himself drew - he said so himself in conversation with the television news presenter after the interview.
Well, Israel has done its job. At least 60 innocent civilians, including many children, were murdered on Sunday 30 July, the very next day after Blair's interview, when Israeli warplanes bombed the basement in which they were sheltering. And still, Bush's vassal will not call for an immediate ceasefire. The closest he would come to is to call for a ceasefire "as soon as possible", i.e. when Israel has completed its job of murder and destruction.
If there is anyone out there who is still wondering why Arabs and Muslims view Britain and the United States as their implacable enemies, then look no further. To the analysts, experts and commentators, whether in the media or in academia, who are still befuddled as to why Arabs and Muslims are turning to "extremism" and terrorism, we say this: look at the images of murder in Qana, Tyre, Sidon, Beirut and Gaza, then listen again to the war criminal Bush and his poodle Blair resisting calls for a ceasefire, and you have the answer.
Bush and Blair have blood on their hands, oceans of Arab and Muslim blood! The innocents in Lebanon and occupied Palestine are paying a heavy price for the crimes of these two criminal, maverick Christian Zionists.
Sadly, many other innocents, not only in the Middle East, but also in Bush's and Blair's own countries will almost certainly pay a heavy price for the actions of these two criminals. For who can doubt that the images of murder in Lebanon and Gaza will inspire many Muslims all over the world to seek revenge? And the victims will almost certainly not be Bush, Blair or the racist Zio-Nazis of Israel, but innocent people in Europe and the United States.
To our Arab and Muslim brothers and sisters: we urge you not to let the Anglo-American-backed murder inspire you to spell innocent blood in revenge, from which only Israel and its allies will gain. Instead, think strategically. Let the blood of the innocents in Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq inspire you to mobilize to isolate Israel and its patrons, politically by seizing the moment and exposing the reality of Zionism to Western publics, and economically by accelerating the campaign to divest from Israel and to boycott Israeli products. It is this, not an eye for an eye, that will ultimately defeat Israel and its imperialist masters, as happened with apartheid South Africa before it. Turn your rage into a noose to strangle the Zionists economically and cut off their political oxygen. Revenge is a dish best served cold

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:55 PM
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12. FANS OF URI AVNERY VOTE THIS UP..
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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:04 PM
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14. Kicking!!!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:56 PM
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13. OPPONENTS OF MISINFORMATION VOTE THIS UP....
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:30 PM
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16. This website publishes everything Avnery writes it seems.
See here

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/thinkpiece.htm

This website publishes everything Avnery writes it seems. Therefore it seems certain that this article was previously under his byline on the site. And that thiis is the ICH source.. and probably the original source of this misinformation. Hopefully the webmaster will soon write back and then we will have this mystery solved.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 03:58 AM
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17. What Uri Said on discovery of the lie...
What Uri Said on discovery of the lie...

Turns out he was notified by Sol Salbe of the Middle East News Service of the error....

From: Uri Avnery
Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2006 8:28 PM
To: Sol
Subject: RE: Uri's article in ICH

Dear Sol,
This is an inpertinent falsification.
I never wrote this article.
All my articles appear on
http://www.avnery-news.co.il
and
http://www.gush-shalom.org
and in German
http://www.uri-avnery.de
Shalom,
uri
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 04:43 AM
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18. K&R
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 05:22 AM
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19. Thks countryjake....
:)
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 06:06 PM
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21. Redress Blog Has Now Corrected.. - Emailed Explanation...
Redress Blog Has Now Corrected.. - Emailed Explanation...

Dear Alastair,

Thanks for your email.

Our editorial "Mobilize to avenge the blood of Qana" - http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/qana.htm is correctly attributed to Redress Information & Analysis.

It was first posted late on Sunday night 30 July (UK time). A random check on the following morning revealed that there was a problem, in that the piece carried Uri Avnery's name. We checked the copy on our hard drive and found that it was, in fact, correctly attributed to us, i.e. we had not made an error with the templates. We re-uploaded the version on our hard drive and it correctly displayed on the site. As the problem was not due to an error on our part, we did not issue a correction.

We have checked with our ISP and can confirm that there was nothing sinister in this. We are told that the most likely explanation for the wrong attribution is that there was a problem with the server which somehow retained some of the features of the previous upload, which was in fact an article by Uri Avnery. That said, it is not something that has happened to us before (as far as we are aware).

Regarding your last two questions,

(1) On the evening of 31 July we revised the last paragraph and one or two other passages, emaphasizing some aspects of the article and clarifying others.

(2) We submitted it to Information Clearing House as we do with all our articles.

Once again, thanks for your email and we are keeping an eye open.

Regards,

Editor
Redress Information & Analysis
http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/
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