Dr Drew: In vino veritas is NOT true. Drug-crazed say/do DISORDEREDthings

[UTUSN]

This thread is NOT about defending Mel GIBSON. It is NOT about anti-Semitism. It just seems to me that GIBSON is being held LITERALLY to his words and acts while raving drunk, but, for example, girls-(& boys)-gone-wild are NOT, and LIMBOsevic/HANNITY/COULTERgeist are NOT held accountable for what THEY say SOBER.


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14151340/

CARLSON: Here‘s the nub of the question. You‘ve heard a number of people say, none of whom are experts on alcoholism, I noticed, but they say, look, when people drink, they say what they really think. It‘s a kind of truth serum, alcohol.

Is that true?

PINSKY: No. No. No, Tucker.

When they drink—they‘re on drugs when they drink. They say things that are crazy. They do all kinds of things that they would never do in a—in a sober moment. They‘re on drugs.

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON: But do those things reflect how they really feel?

PINSKY: Absolutely rarely is that the case. They become aggressive, they could become depressed. Their thought processes are disturbed.

This is a disordered brain on drugs. They say things that they regret profoundly and would never say in a sober moment. Not because they don‘t believe it—not because they‘re not feeling it, it‘s because they‘re actually—they don‘t mean it.

The just—they‘re enraged, they have all kinds of strange emotions. Alcoholics on drugs do all kinds of things that they would never do when their brain is in a normal state, because it‘s not their normal feeling state, it‘s not their normal thinking.

Thinking is disturbed in addiction. People don‘t undersand this. Thinking is what is at the service of the addictive process. It‘s why they think when they‘re loaded or using such awful things they‘re such great ideas. It‘s because it‘s part of the disease process.

And to hold him accountable of things he says when he‘s loaded I think is a horrible thing to do to the guy. It‘s very, very sad. ....

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[Blue_In_AK]

1. I think this is basically what Jackie Mason

was saying last night on Countdown. I think his example was somebody might call his mother a whore while he's drunk, that doesn't mean he's going to go out and build her a brothel.

[Virginia Dare]

2. That's why the Chimp is never held accountable..

for anything he says.

[guinivere]

3. I think that there may be a very small window of truth telling

opportunity while drinking. After a certain point, it can all become bullshit and silliness.
I don't think that this is true for every person. Some folks are happy drunks, sad, mean...whatever. Even if you're out whooping it up, there is a line that you just don't cross. Obviously Gibson crossed that line. Being drunk is no excuse for this.

[MindPilot]

4. This is something I've always maintained about intoxication

Speaking from personal experience as someone who has tried pretty much every intoxicant there is, I have never been so high, so drunk that my fundamental personality changes. I may say or do things that I would be constrained from do sober, but they are not things that are outside of my normal range of behavior.

In other words, I may get drunk and go pick up a hooker, but I'm not going to kill her and drop her in the river. It is simply not in my personality to commit murder.

I contend that when someone does something really anti-social or sociopathic while intoxicated, that person already had a fundamental propensity in their core personality to do that thing.

Disclaimer: I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist; the above is only my opinion based on experience.

[TalkingDog]

12. I agree because:

In other cultures where drinking/drugs is/are accepted as a cultural norm and in cultures where you ARE held accountable for your actions while drinking/drugging, these types of things (and worse, like rape)don't occur as often (with drinking as a defense mind you, not that the actual incidence of rape is lower).

I won't quote studies, because if you are interested enough you will find them yourself. (read: too f*cking hot and lazy to look them up myself)

All inebriation (of whatever sort) does is lower inhibitions. INHIBITIONS...thing things that inhibit "socially unacceptable" behavior.

When I heard that he had used an epithet toward a female cop I was not surprised, but did expect it to be a little more misogynistic than "sugar tits" which is mildly insulting, but really rather juvenile.



My favorite Future Famous Dead Artist: KarenParker

[UTUSN]

14. Kick for ===========*I* don't know, don't ask!!!!!!!1 n/t

[Literate Tar Heel]

5. I'd be more inclined to go along with this

if a group of Jewish people had harassed him at the bar or even if a Jewish bartender had cut him off after his 14th beer ... people react in unusual and often unpredictable ways to people and situations when they're drunk or otherwise impaired ... but such a blanket and presumably unprovoked diatribe sounds a lot more to me like in vino veritas than it does the irrational rambling of a "disordered brain"

[madmom]

6. I would just like to know why he wasn't arrested, if that were you or

I, we would have spent the night in lock-up and be arraigned the next morning, why the special treatment?(oh I forgot money and politics!)

[earth mom]

7. People might believe this of Gibson...

...if Gibsons film, the Passion, did NOT offend many in the Jewish Community as it did.

...if Gibsons father was NOT the rabid anti-semite that he is.

Prejudging? Maybe, but it's difficult not to given the facts.

[idgiehkt]

8. so hold him accountable for the homophobic, anti-semitic films he makes

while stone cold sober.

This is such a moot point. Gibson screwed himself, and it's long overdue.

[Swamp Rat]

9. Pooor pooor widdle Mel!

:cry: :eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. Dr. Drew, eh?

What's Dr. Laura got to say on the subject?

[UTUSN]

13. Before anybody else pounces, I had not heard of "Dr Drew" til yesterday

when I heard him say these things on the Tucker circus. So whatever the implication of "Dr Drew/Dr Laura" is, it has nothing to do with me.


P.S., and I think I am remembering correctly AGREEING with you on some topics (can't remember which).

[UTUSN]

11. I agree with just about all of the posts this far

And giving in to the DISCUSSION OF MEL GIBSON (as opposed to the o.p.), I'll say this.

* The only GIBSON movie I've paid half attention to was Hamlet. I dismissed his action movies. Never saw the Lethal ones. Wait, I was moved by Tripoli(?). Vaguely saw Braveheart and bits of Patriot, of which my main impression was VIOLENCE.

* I saw Passion the same as I paid attention to the SCHIAVO affair, because it was a POLITICAL issue in the here-and-now. I *did* agree with the posts here about the implicated anti-Semitism, but for me the strongest thing was how the wingnuts/fundies were balleyhooing about it and FOR ME TO DECIDE whether GIBSON was a wingnut. It got confusing TO ME when he was quoted saying negative things about Shrub, which are obviously GOOD SIGNS in my book. But about the movie, my take then and now was that it was a torture/snuff flick.

* That said, might I suggest that one possible cause that the topic of Jews just might be forever on his mind, close to the surface, could be growing up under the dominance of his batshit father's theories about Jews, and possibly STRUGGLING with what he heard all his life?

* I'm trying to pinpoint what bugs me about the GIBSON topic. It has something to do with how O'LOOFAH and many other wingnuts have gotten THEIR escapades JUST GONE with little perceptible consequences. And remembering that especially O'LOOFAH was/is a business associate of GIBSON's, was thick as thieves with him when the Passion was an item. And O'LOOFAH is out there pontificating as if HIS shit don't stink.

[JerseygirlCT]

15. If his past behavior hadn't already led people to suspect

anti-semitism, I might be willing to believe that.

I think the ugly that came out of him was already in there, waiting.