the Miami Cubans are living a kool aide fantasy

[donsu]

brought to them by the neo con Miami Cuban men paid to foment trouble by the bushmilhousegang.

they have the Miami Cubans believing the fantasy that they will take over Cuba again.

it's a shame.

Miami Cubans living in the sane world should expose these con men for what they are and shatter the fantasy.

Cubans deserve better.

[wain]

1. Wasn't this "fantasy" started in the '60s?

And has survived through nine administrations - or 10 under Ike (where the idea was born).

[newyorican]

2. gusanos

n/t

[RedCloud]

13. good one.

gusanos contra cubanos

[China_cat]

3. You have a lot of them believing Castro is dead

and saying that reports of his being in good spirits are just lies.

[bumblebee1]

4. Kool aid fantasy?

More like a Kool aid wet dream.

[YDogg]

5. So ... will Miami's cubans head back "home" soon?

Just wondering. So many seem to want to, just wondering how many will.

[lies and propaganda]

6. im super confused by the Miami Cubans

dont they know that if he dies and we work our way in there, everything great about Cuba will be destroyed?

Or are they wingnuts and thats what they want?

[SoCalDem]

7. Most of my family left Cuba in 1961 & 62

The "originals" are VERY old now or even passed on. Their children who were RAISED here, have no interest in going to Cuba other than to see the "homeland" of their parents/grandparents. The oldsters who are still around, are probably pretty frail these days, so it's not a sure thing that they would even be able to go back.

The Cuba that WAS, is no more...and hasn't been for a LONG time.

The ones who were "left behind" in the exodus were the poorer people and people "of color".. Cuba, as the upscale "party-place" is only in the faded photos and the memories of the older folks..

It's a rough-around-the-edges, third world place, and the US shut itself out of Cuba many decades ago, In the interim, other countries have set up shop there, and might not be ready to hand the keys over to us when and if we decide to come back..

A whole generation of people have grown up there with NO contact with America other than what they are told by the older folks still there..

"Freedom" for Cubans there will be very similar to what the Eastern Bloc countries underwent. They will get their "freedom"....BUT they will lose their free medical care, their guaranteed jobs, housing, social safety net..

..be careful what you ask for.

[flordehinojos]

8. desafortunadamente the diaz-balart brothers, ileana ros-lehtinen,

the cubans who idealized cuba and never moved on, and the children who received an idealized version of cuba, they have their sails set for cuba, erroneously so.

cuba now belongs to the cubans who stay, bush should keep his stiercoled, bloodied up hands away from cuba, any speak of him saying that he wants to teach cubans a better way, or that he wants to schpread democracy in cuba makes me ill.

i left santiago de cuba in 1961. i would love to see the mountains that nourished my childhood and early youth, i would love to see the house that my parents built before i was born, i would love to walk on the streets of santiago de cuba, but i will never go back.

[SoCalDem]

12. I went there as a baby, and would like to see it as a grown up

But I know that the Cuba of my father and garndparents is long gone.. I would not even know how to start researching to even find where they lived.. I know they had a "country place" with race horses and they had a "city" house and a jewelry store, but other than those few facts and the family names, ...that's IT.... All the elders were so bitter and angry, they rarely even spoke of the place... and they are all dead now..

[flordehinojos]

14. in the towns and cities in cuba there exists something called,

"El Registro de la Propiedad" where any property owner who ever owned property in Cuba has it registered there in the town in which he owned the property. If you ever go to Cuba for a visit and you have your family's name, stopping at "El Registro de la Propiedad" would be one place where you could begin to look to find where they lived... I am also willing to bet that people there who are living in their houses know the history of your family quite well, and even if you go to the city where they lived, and mention the name of their jewelry store, someone there could begin to lead you into finding lots about your family.

I, for my part, can never go back while all these batista retreads are trying to hold on to what no longer is theirs.

[SoCalDem]

15. All i really know is that Castro's guys showed up and

slaughtered the horses for food. It really traumatized my cousin who was about 11 at the time.. Their dislike of castro was personal.. My grandfather was from Spain and my grandmother from France, so I don;t know their politics.. I think they were well-off, but not aligned with Bautista.. but who knows? I was a kid.. My father came to the US in 1946 and joined the air force (26 yrs worth)..

My aunt & cousin came next in 61 (when you could still bring things with you).. They brought some money & jewelry that was not confiscated when the jewelry store was taken over by Castro's guys..

My grandparents stayed another year (too long) because of elderly aunts they took care of...and by the time they left, you could take NOTHING.. They had to empty their pockets in Havana..and had to borrow a dime to call my aunt to pick them up at the airport..

Neither of them lived more than a year after they came..

[flordehinojos]

16. if your cousin is alive, she would remember. if she is not,

the records at the REGISTRO DE LA PROPIEDAD would be a source to find your family's (roots?) that would be equal to our deeds being recorded by the clerks of the counties courts.

some of the rich families in cuba were castro supporters prior to 1959, later, as he changed his colors, they changed their support of him and many had to leave the country.

(did you ever live in Cuba?...)

how horrible of the fidelistas to shoot the horses.

there are many sad stories in the aftermath of a revolution that many thought was being fought to get rid of batista the bloodiest dictator in the island. i think no one expected to be betrayed by fidel castro the way they were.

[SoCalDem]

18. No. I never lived there.. My family visited family there in 1951

and then we went to panama..where I DID live until 1962. (Albrook AFB)

[moondust]

9. Just think.

In 10 years Havana could look just like Miami! Beachfront hotels, luxury suites, even casinos! Ah, Paradise! (Unless you're a poor Cuban with crooked teeth.)

[ComerPerro]

11. Reminds me of all those Iraqi's who can't wait to go back to Iraq

now that Saddam is gone, after all the bloodshed and destruction passes and US taxpayers rebuild it.

They love their country so much, they won't even help it progress.

[ComerPerro]

10. Miami Cuban Republicans are some of the worst people in the world

because they are so nauseatingly anti-immigrant.

"Why can't they just come here legally, like we did?"

Bullshit.

[jakefrep]

17. Tyranny of the Minority...

A small, vocal, number of Batistaite assholes in South Florida have held our Cuba policy by the shorthairs for too long. Have these people forgotten what an asshole Batista was? Or are they just descendants of the crooks that Batista was in cahoots with during his reign (and Castro revolted against)?

[SoCalDem]

19. I don;t think they "loved" Bautista.. They DID like their cushy lifestyle

THAT's what they missed.. They missed the yacht club, the fancy parties, the maid service, the nice life..

If they left in a hurry, they had to leave it all behind, and we all know how hard it is to start over at midlife..Lost of these folks had been raised in privilege and they thought it would go on for generations..

They resented castro for "ruining' THEIR lives...

Imagine *² and his rich family suddenly stripped of all their wealth, and getting plunked down in a place where they did'nt know the language..and having to be at the mercy of getting assistance from that "new place"....hmmmmm sounds almost like "immigracion" :)