What would your PEACE PLAN be for the ME?

[goclark]

I sincerely would like to have positive feedback on what members of DU believe would bring PEACE to the Middle East.

Please let this be a positive thread.

In fact, if WE can't discuss some logical ways to end the violence and give all sides JUSTICE,that really is a shame.


Thanks a lot and PEACE!

ps/ If someone has a plan that you don't like, please don't bash the view of that person.

That is not productive in my view.



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[abluelady]

1. How About

We take the geographical size of Israel out of one of the largest Arab countries in the mideast and move all the displaced folks into lovely homes (not projects) and have democratic elections. Then a new country will be started. Of course we should promote entrepreneurial opportunities--McDonald's franchises could be a start and be sure there is oil on the property that is chosen. Seems like a win/win situation to me.

[goclark]

4. PEACE and thank you nt

[Ignoramus]

2. Justice goes in one direction

The group with the fighter jets has a different responsibility than the group with the suicide bombers. Israel's militarism needs to have it's funding cut. America's bias against Arabs needs to be replaced with a fair position.

In general, the solution is the same everywhere. Have governments ban their own state terrorism. Arrest individual terrorists.

Governments are directly controlled by their own laws, so they can impose a ban on there own collective punishment actions. Populations are not controlled directly by laws, as is proven by the fact that crime exists. So, you can't give populations ultimatums.

The people in control of the system of justice control injustice. In a prison analogy, the prisoners can't give justice to the prison, only the prison can give jsutice to the prisoners. The violence is port of a dynamic of abuse of power.

[goclark]

3. PEACE and thank you nt

[BillZBubb]

5. ENFORCE UN 242.

Most of the trouble in the Middle East could have stopped two decades ago if Israel was forced to obey UN resolution 242.

If Israel returns to the pre-1967 war boundaries ALL the Arab countries have promised to recognize Israel and normalize relations. ALL of them.

[goclark]

6. PEACE and thank you nt

[U4ikLefty]

37. Can you source me that fact?

That all Arab countries would recognize Israel if the went to the pre-67 boundaries. That would be a handy little nugget.

[cali]

7. Mine is simple:

Israel dismantles a substantial number of settlements as a good faith gesture. This would go some distance is establishing that they are acting in good faith; then, negotiations can begin in earnest.

[goclark]

9. PEACE and thank you nt

[ginnyinWI]

8. I learned some things from hearing Peter Galbraith on public radio

It's not the whole solution--but some interesting facts:

Churchill was responsible for combining the three Iraqi groups into one country--and considered it later to be one of his biggest mistakes. They did it to save time and money--to put them all together in one country.

Galbraith (son of John Galbraith) also said that our troops are doing not one bit of good in Iraq and should get out immediately (if not sooner!). Any Iraqi group that aligns itself with the Americans looses credibility--so our presence there is a negative.

[goclark]

10. PEACE and thank you nt

[Sapphire Blue]

11. Woah! What a tremendous undertaking...

... one that I would be ill equipped to handle.

This is something that I would love to see President Carter involved with, though.


Edited to add:

We might see something like this again:

[goclark]

12. PEACE and thank you

Oh Sapphire wouldn't it be fantastic to see President Carter lead the efforts for PEACE!

[Sapphire Blue]

14. ...

Yes, it would. If we had a real president today, I think President Carter would be involved in current peace talks. What a concept... We'd have peace talks!

[goclark]

16. PEACE TALKS with President Carter

Thanks Sapphire ~ what a dream that would be.

[WilliamPitt]

13. Step one: everyone stop shooting

Then, talks. Talks involving every country over there, brokered by the Arab League (because we've blown our standing as an honest broker). What comes from that, who knows, but it would be a start.

[goclark]

15. PEACE and thank you

I am honored to have the icon, William Pitt, respond to my thread.

[omega minimo]

17. Women take charge & negotiate. All the men (& Condoliar) get a time out.

No more brainwashing children to kill. No more illegal wars for corporate profit.

:grouphug:

[goclark]

21. PEACE and thank you nt

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[porphyrian]

19. I'll give it a shot.

* Make Jerusalem a free state, under the rule of no country but its own, kind of like the Vatican. Similarly, a free passage to and from it should be available to both Arab nations and Israel, as well as the rest of the world via an airport if they don't already have one or something similar.

* Establish a Palestinian state, taking land from both Israel and the surrounding Arab nations who were both responsible for the displacement of these people. Give them whatever they need to get established as a nation, again using resources from both Israel and the surrounding Arab nations responsible for their displacement in the first place, and allow them to democratically determine their own constitution and government, all under UN supervision.

* Place sanctions on all nations that do not cooperate in either of the above, with a focus on hurting the interests of the governments of those countries rather than their people. Any aggressive or violent behavior will be met and dealt with swiftly by UN troops. In the case that the violence is enacted by insurgents or groups not associated with the government of a specific nation, an independant investigation will be conducted to evaluate the failing of that government's law enforcement, and they will be required to act on its findings.

If that fails, institute the following:

* The creation of the International Bong Police. Any and all acts of violence will incur the immediate intervention of a Bong Police Unit, who will force all offending parties to smoke extremely good weed until they make up with each other or are totally incapacitated.

[goclark]

22. PEACE and thank you nt

[Mountainman]

20. Israel needs to give back the land won in the six day war and make a

Palestinian home land. Then the two peoples must learn to live together in peace.

[goclark]

23. PEACE and thank you nt

[Cleita]

24. I would like to see all organizations, parties and governments

that display a majority of the fourteen points of fascism outlawed. Then you will see peace on earth when we collectively realize that these political ideologies have no place in the modern world. I'm not necessarily into forcing democracy on people who aren't ready for it (some people like their kings and queens), however, fascism has a distinctly bellicose signature that can't be ignored.

[goclark]

25. PEACE and thank you nt

[Tsiyu]

26. Send all of the adults on vacation

and let the kids come up with a plan. Most children - unlike their parents - have an instinctive desire to get along. They may pester their siblings, but most kids want peace on the streets of their neighborhoods.

Let the kids sit down and hammer out a way to get along.

The adults haven't been able to do this for thousands of years. I give up on them.

[goclark]

31. PEACE and thanks nt

[mmonk]

27. Ending the full spectrum dominance plan

and working for stability, peace, and dialogue through the UN.

[goclark]

32. PEACE and thank you nt

[treestar]

28. Draw a big line around about four of the countries

And make one huge state. Give this state a copy of the US Constitution - if they won't go for it, bomb them into submission (all of them, equal opportunity).

Emphasize that they must follow the first amendment on Free Exercise of Religion and no Establishment thereof or they will be bombed.

Force them also to have an immigration law that is ethnic and religion neutral, based on family ties or employment. Maybe that just follows from the constitution they will have.



:woohoo:

[Avalux]

29. End the occupation; pre-1967 boundaries

Of course a lot more would be involved, but this would be a good start. :hi:

[goclark]

38. PEACE and thank you nt

[kentuck]

30. Everybody has to give up something...

Israel will need to give up land. Syria, Hezbollah, PLO, Hamas will need give up their weapons and their violence. The PLO need their own state. Israel gives up some ocean front property to the PLO.
Israel would also return the Shabaa Farms in the Golan Heights to either Syria or Jordan.

In return, there will need to be a guaranteed safe zone in all these areas. The UN would need to set up posts on these borders - with the authority to move about freely on both sides. The UN would handle any disputes between any of the partners to the agreement. All the parties involved would agree to never use violence on the other and to account for all the weapons within all the buffer zones.

But, first of all, someone needs to lead them to the table. They need to start talking and stop bombing. That is the first step.

[goclark]

33. PEACE and thank you

[goclark]

35. Peace and thank you nt

34. We commandeer all cruise ships

board them, sail to Lebanon and Israel and other nearby ports. Disembark, and flood the streets begging to stop the war. Also block all shipments of aid to Israel, bombs and whatever else we give them. Then put large doses of estrogen into drinking water of all the military planners, and political heads that are clamoring for bloodshed, similar to that movie In Like Flint.

[Ghost in the Machine]

36. bongs instead of bombs!