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DarbyUSMC Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:26 AM
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Jackie Mason weighs in on Mel Gibson "hoopla". On Countdown last night.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

Click on video of Mason.

Common sense.

Thank you Mr. Mason.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:39 AM
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1. What's he say? Can't get the video to play.
MSNBC won't let me use Firefox for videos, and after I start up my old copy of IE, Ihave to watch a commercial, and then wait another minute for an error message telling me the video clip is unavailable. Nice that they tell me after the commercial.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:27 AM
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7. Basically, that nobody should take Gibson's words seriously
because he was drunk.
I thought it was complete nonsense.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:09 AM
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2. MASON has ragged on Ted KENNEDY and other Dems for years
What's the common denominator that would make what he has to say worth a bucket?
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:17 AM
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3. personally , I was saddened by it
he sounded like a self--hating Jew .He went all around the block to defend Gibson
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:19 AM
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4. One bigot defending another....
A few years back, Mason himself refused to perform a contracted show unless an opening comic who was of Palestinian descent was removed from the bill. Jack ass.
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RoBear Donating Member (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:25 AM
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5. I sat there and wondered
what color the sky is in Mason's world...

Total jackass.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:25 AM
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6. Well, I thought it was awful.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:36 AM
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8. I've always been a Jackie Mason fan...I admit...
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 11:41 AM by Hubert Flottz
And I think he was exactly right about the whole thing. Drunk people do and say silly shit! Have you ever been shitfaced and did or said something you regretted later? Maybe you've even gotten your ass kicked for your drunken bullshit?

Edit...OVERKILL is my verdict too.

BTW, I know nothing about Mason poliically.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:38 AM
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9. Yea, drunk people are not responsible for their own action.
And if he killed someone while driving drunk, he would have gotten off too.
After all, he can't be responsible for anything he did because he was drunk.
:eyes:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:39 AM
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10. I didn't know he killed someone...
Wow.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:42 AM
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12. You're thinking of Laura Bush broadsiding her ex-boyfriend. The post
you are replying to says "if"
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:50 AM
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14. If the government would have let Mel smoke a big dube he
wouldn't have been such a red neck! The government lets the people pushing booze and cigarettes slide and the shit they sell KILLS people by the thousands!

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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:58 AM
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18.  Since when do we take roving drunks seriously?
It's not that they aren't responsible, it's that they are not thinking clearly!

Have you ever said or done something you wouldn't ordinarily do when you were totally drunk? I think everyone who's ever been drunk, has, at least once.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:40 PM
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21. Welcome to DU breakaleg
I always have thought that people take both drunken ignorance and religion way too seriously.


And mixing church and state is every bit as deadly as mixing drunks and automobiles, IMO.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:39 AM
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11. Not my verdict!
GUILTY!!! :D

I say CRUCIFY Mel! ... especially for that movie where he murdered Jesus and blamed it on the Jews. :D



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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:46 AM
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13. The Bastid killed Jesus?
Fuk yeah...Hang the Mo-Fo!

I'm glad it wasn't someone on pot that did that shit!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:11 PM
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19. Does everyone here know the history and purpose of Medieval passion plays?
Mel indulged his blood lust and anti-semitism in an extravagant enterprise designed to entertain his Jew-hating brethren. Yes, designed on purpose, with malice of forethought.

This author eloquently lays to bare what Mel Gibson did:

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Mel Gibson’s Passion Play

Mr. Gibson has fashioned a blunt instrument of propaganda, edged with artistry, whose visceral power gives it the potential to become his most lethal weapon of all.

By Bruce Chilton
Bernard Iddings Bell Professor of Religion
Bard College
March 2004

(snip)

Medieval passion plays entertained their audiences and at the same time drew them into the sufferings of Christ. These efforts indulged flights of fancy and superstition, manufacturing perfidious Jews, assorted demons, buxom Magdalenes, gargoyle-faced demons, and the like, but they also offered vivid realizations of how Christ, by following the way of the cross, was transformed into his resurrected glory. The intent was to open the path of Christ to all believers.

(snip)

There are many more Jewish tormenters than in the Gospels. Satan weaves in and out of their midst as Jesus is betrayed, mocked, and denied. Satan’s hairless face and head somehow seemed familiar to me, but I could not quite place him at the beginning of the film. I lost my curiosity about that for a while, diverted by the baroque portrayal of the violence inflicted on Jesus by the high priest Caiaphas and his colleagues. They are all opulently but darkly dressed; their interior corruption is manifest. If we have any doubt about the moral standing of the high priesthood, one of Caiaphas’ colleagues wears an eye-patch. Pirates of the Caribbean meets Ben-Hur.

(snip)

As a passion play, this film is a hokey but reverent meditation on the death of Jesus. The music sustains the stately pace through what amounts to the Stations of the Cross that Cyril developed in Jerusalem and that Christians still use for devotion today. The score is derivative, sounding much like some of the work in Gladiator, but it comports well with the film’s tableaux and occasional bursts of violence and splattered blood. (Acting in this case requires no comment because there is no room for it in between static images and violent outbursts, most of which involve flaying latex skin.) More successfully, the camera work affects the aim of a passion play. We look on the action, appalled and uplifted by the various characters. The blind hatred of Caiaphas, the crazed disorientation of Judas, the mute betrayal of Peter, the dithering good will of Pilate, the magnificent loyalty of Jesus’ mother, the smoldering devotion of the Magdalene, the chaste quasi-conversion of Pilate’s wife, the sadistic pleasure of the Roman soldiers, the clueless cross-bearing of Simon of Cyrene: all reflect and heighten our own responses. We ask, as we should, where would we be and where are we in this action? As the film’s deliberate rhythm proceeds, Jesus himself looks up from his agonies to fix his gaze on the characters and on us so as to underline that question.

(snip)

Monty Python tried to be funny and succeeded because Brian was not about Jesus, but Brian. Putting this cockney hero into situations like those Jesus faced, under obviously phony historical circumstances, makes for brilliant parody. In Mr. Gibson’s case, the parody is equally powerful, although unintentional. By mixing together the genre of the passion play with the pretension of historical accuracy, Gibson has inadvertently made his passion play into pious vaudeville. Claims that this film reflects the Gospels or history are cynical. Critics who treat it as a historical work have confused their profession with self-promotion. Were this film directed by Mel Brooks, we would have something to watch with pleasure. But Mr. Gibson’s Passion is libelous farce, poor art, and an incentive for credulous viewers to confuse Christian faith with hatred. After I went home, I watched Die Hard with my younger son and felt morally restored.

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Chilton_Passion.htm
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:06 PM
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22. RE "designed on purpose, with malice of forethought"
To make Mel more wealth, I think was his motivation for making the movie.

I don't know if the movie was intended to hurt anyone or not, but I hope it wasn't. Maybe he just didn't care who he hurt, as long as the thing made money. I think he has wrecked his life now, that's for sure.

I just got around to watching the movie a couple of weeks ago and my wife still will not watch it. I wouldn't advise anyone to show the movie to children.



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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:13 PM
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23. Well, since he is a self-professed scholar on this matter,
anti-semitism must play a factor in his choice to do a passion play. I agree with you that money is a motivator too. Just look at the millions Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, et al are raking in. Mel cashed in on the hatred and fear in this country (and abroad) like his Protestant buddies.


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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:50 AM
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15. He is still alive? I thought he died a thousand deaths after Caddyshack II
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:20 PM
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20. After Caddyshack II, he should have died 1000 deaths!
Wow, what a miserable movie, although in the realm of really bad sequels, check out this description for Meatballs III.

"A 14-year-old boy named Rudy is trying desperately to lose his virginity. When he spends the night with his friend Wendy (whom secretly loves him and he doesn't realize she's the one for him) and they watch a porno film called "E.A.T. M.E.: The Sextra-Terrestrial" starring Roxanne Du Jour (Shannon Tweed). When the movie is turned off, they discover on the news that the famous porn star has died. Meanwhile in Heaven, Roxanne must become an angel by committing one good deed. She decides to help young Rudy lose his virginity. It just so happens that Rudy has a crush on the sister of the town bully, Mean Gene."

Original "Meatballs" - snobs v. slobs comedy
"Meatballs III" - Ghost of porn star helps young boy lose his virginity

At least Caddyshack II took place on the golf course!

mikey_the_rat
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:54 AM
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16. Well, I am glad I watched it.
Now I know there is no racism in America. If you claim racism its just because you aren't willing to do what it takes to get ahead and you are jealous of people who succeed, so you claim racism. No anti semitism either. Oh, and Pat Boone is a wonderful man who loves Jews. I've always thought Jackie Mason is pretty funny, but he is obviously a Republican. :eyes:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:58 AM
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17. Yes, I think he's a hard core repig too.
I won't be a fan anymore! The Pat Boone thing about caused me to lose my groceries.

The Tax Cuts have bought Bush a lot of friends and we have all paid for it.
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