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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:48 AM
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I Am Declaring A Unilateral 48 Hour Ceasefire.
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 07:51 AM by DistressedAmerican
At this point my objections to the Israeli incursion are well known to all who care. The debate has been mighty nasty at times and I do fear that is is creating damaging divisions (due in part to my pushing the issue so forcefully).

As such, I am declaring I will not post any threads on the issue for the next 48 hours. It is not like my doing so actually changes anything anyway. Not a single bomb has been held back because DA objects. So, I will stick to the myriad of other problems associated with life in Dublandia for the next couple of days.

Anyone from the other side of the debate that would like to join in such a ceasefire, is encouraged and welcome to do so. Please do.



Anyone hear that Iraq is fucked? Afghanistan fucked? The United Stated fucked?


p.s. Of course as with ceasefires offered by Israel, I reserve the right to respond if attacked. However , I will attempt to make any such response "proportional" to the provocation.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:55 AM
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1. I`ve posted almost nothing on the subject.
Not due to a lack of concern, but because of a knot in my stomach over all the carnage. It truly sickens me.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:06 AM
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2. Good luck - those that just want balanced commentary have also declared
a Unilateral 48? (forever) Hour Ceasefire - but I come back after 24 hours and folks are still trying to make terrorists and terrorism into "just responses",

I have tried pointing out the no one does not cry when they see the photos of the dead children - from either side - and that a cease fire is in order because the "proportional" response seems lacking (although I have no clue as to what is a "proportional" response - its just that like everyone - and everyone on DU - I want the killing to end).

But the left has had an Israel/jew is the devil meme for a few thousand years - with attempts to say jews are ok but Israel has to commit suicide - and I doubt your - or my - ceasefire will change anything.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:11 AM
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3. I wonder why Jews support Democrats so vigorously
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 08:12 AM by Bleachers7
After looking around here. The vitriol doesn't come just from disagreement or disgust with the latest situation. It comes from pure hatred of Israel and what it stands for, and it's on full display here. There will be a long list of people that will post below denying it. I say bullshit.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:15 AM
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5. See post #4.
Same thing I have to say about this BS.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:21 AM
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6. Good ceasefiring there.
I really respect the way you took that olive branch and pissed on it. I mean our natural human nature is to be mangy rabid hateful beasts, and it's foolish of us to pretend that we can be any better - so I salute your fine display of human nature.

Oh, and I presume you are pleased with the future terrorists (children) that Israel is killing.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:41 AM
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8. Your post is slightly hypocritical
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 08:45 AM by Bleachers7
don't you think? First, I never signed onto any cease fire. And second, I'm just pointing out the very obvious truth. Did you know DUers feel that Hezbollah has more of a right to defend itself than Israel (based on a couple polls)? Like I said, many will deny it, but the truth hurts.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:49 AM
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:16 AM
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15. Reprehensible maybe
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 10:17 AM by Bleachers7
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:55 AM
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12. I should know, since I created one of those polls
I think turning a blind eye to Hezbollah's evil is almost as bad as turning a blind eye to Israels evil.

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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:21 AM
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7. Absolutely agree with you
It's disgusting.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:13 AM
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4. THAT is your idea of a ceasefire?
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 08:14 AM by DistressedAmerican
"But the left has had an Israel/jew is the devil meme for a few thousand years"


Calling the left anti-jew? Is that how you've gone about calming the waters?

Nice.

First, since when has the American left been around for a few thousand years?

Second, most anti-semites are conservative fucks. Look at the religious right who believes that all Jews killed by Hitler are burning in hell for not converting to Christianity. But, as long as the anti-semites publicly support Israel, the Pro-Israel crowd is happy to ignore that their buddies look forward to the day when they will ALL be wiped out or be forced to convert.

Third, if you are really into caliming the waters around here you would not post such obvious lies and broadbrush insults against the "left".

Keeping my response proportional, I'll refrain from really telling you what I think of that BS you just posted.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:45 AM
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9. I didn't respond to you
or your ceasefire. I just pointed out and inconvenient truth (sorry big Al). Look around DU. It's pure hatred coming from some people. Now I understand what goes on in I/P. They corral the militants and dump them in there to avoid corroding the rest of the joint. The anti-Israel hate is swept under the rug. But it's on full display the last three weeks. Like I said, I wonder why Jews support us so vigorously. Maybe people here are a small minority of the part.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:48 AM
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:15 AM
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14. That's too bad
My take is only cowards use ignore. You know why? Because they can't have a simple discussion. Like I said, the truth of this I/P mess hurts too many people. God forbid someone points out the obvious. :hi:
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:55 AM
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13. True dat
"Hey, I just want to have a balanced discussion with all the Jew-haters."
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:17 AM
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16. LMFAO!
:crazy:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:05 PM
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17. Keeping my response proportional, I 'll refrain from noting your misreading
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 12:05 AM by papau
of the post - at least a misreading - in my opinion.

A few thousand years ago those more concerned with social justice tather than material wealth - the left - were the early Christian church - and they had put a blood curse on all things Jewish. Today it is impossible to read a EU publication on the left that does not have the same irrational hate - albeit they praise and even have authors that are Jewish - as long as the are not religious - called secular as if you can not be for a secular government and also religious - and those Jews must exhibit a proper hatred of Israel, agreeing that it does not have a right.

Indeed the UN attested Hezbollah war crime of using civilians as human shields so as to get civilian deaths for PR purposes is denied by many if not most on DU - reports by leaders of Christian Solidarity International and Sami El-Khoury, president of the World Maronite Union, are not even reported in the Western press (CSI reported today that "Hezbollah is using Christian villages to shield its military operations against Israel. Southern Lebanese Christian villages, such as Ain Ebel, Rmeish, Alma Alshaab, and others are being used by Hezbollah terrorists for launching missile attacks. A Christian from the village of Ain Ebel discovered Hezbollah guerrillas were setting up a launcher to fire Katyusha rockets from the rooftop of his home. Ignoring his pleas to stop, they fired the missiles. He immediately gathered his family and fled home, which indeed was bombed and destroyed 15 minutes later by an Israeli air strike. In addition to having their homes commandeered for launching Hezbollah's attacks, there have been attempts to obstruct Christians from fleeing their villages. On Saturday, July 28, Hezbollah fighters fired upon several Christians fleeing Rmeish with their families, wounding two, according to Christian sources in south Lebanon. Hezbollah has been the ruling power in the south since Israel withdrew from Lebanon six years ago. Christian villages suffer from extensive neglect of infrastructure under Hezbollah rule. Even though Christians pay the taxes for basic government services, such as road repair and other utilities, these services are rarely provided. On the other hand, Shiite villages supportive of Hezbollah do not pay taxes and benefit from infrastructure development and new residential and business construction.").

"anti-semites are conservative fucks" - I also thought that at one time anti-semites were exclusively conservative fucks, and still think that in general that is true, but among socialist types, as in every group, one sometimes finds a few crazies. But the (not based on Jewishness) hatred of Israel on the left has long since past logic and moved on to other reasons - in my opinion.

Momcat posted a CSM op-ed that claimed Hez was just responding to Israeli incursions into Lebanon - the op-ed writer Strindberg claiming this is shown by UN reports. Below are the UN reports -
http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?OpenAgent&DS=S/2006/26&Lang=E&Area=UNDOC
http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?OpenAgent&DS=S/2006/560&Lang=E&Area=UNDOC

As you can see, Strindberg is a liar. This was not in the DU thread as far as I could see (not DU bias, but folks did seem trusting of a report about Israeli evil). Strindberg sells Israel is evil, saying (falsely) in another article that Israel desecrates and destroys Christian religious shrines while forgetting the truth of "the 2002 siege of the Church of the Nativity, where Christian priests were held hostage by terrorists from the PLO, and where when the church was finally freed, it was discovered that the Palestinian terrorists inside had defecated on Christian shrines and stolen all the gold icons" (the quotes reflect that this wording is from another article on the web). Indeed I have yet to see an article by Strindberg that notes that "in the classic collection of the hadith or sayings of Mohammed, every one of the 199 mentions of jihad is in the context of war against non-Muslims to expand the territory under Muslim control" (also noted first in another article on the web). But for some on DU selling a "Hezbollah/Hamas Palestinians just want fairness" line is easy.

Your use of the term BS reminds me of Strindberg's use of terms like "pure analytical nonsense" as he claims those not on board with his opinion have no more than a "cosmetic concern for Palestinians' rights and liberties". Indeed, he even claims that "neither Hezbollah nor Hamas are driven by a desire to "wipe out Jews," as is so often claimed, but by a fundamental sense of injustice that they will not allow to be forgotten" - as he forgets actual statements by leaders and financiers of these organizations that state that the goal is indeed to "wipe out the Jews".

The above rant is of course about a fellow named Strindberg - not a DUer named DistressedAmerican. And indeed my defense may well be disproportionate to your reply - sorry if you feel it is.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:17 PM
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18. I think this cease fire failed. The fighting continues. How sad.
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