why no quotes from the extreme right to support anti Israel sentiment?...

[k_jerome]

And I don't mean Pat Buchanan or Chuck Hagel. Lets go all the way.

"It saddens my heart to tell you that part of my country is occupied by Zionists, just as part of your country, the Golan Heights, is occupied by Zionists. occupy most of the American media and now control much of the American government ... It is not just the West Bank of Palestine, it is not just the Golan Heights that are occupied by the Zionists, but Washington D.C. and New York and London and many other capitals of the world. Your fight for freedom is the same as our fight for freedom." David Duke.

Man, coulda been lifted from the "evil Israel" vitriol seen here lately. After all, he didn't say Jews. And heaven only knows, its not the discriminated that should define what is offensive, it is the discriminators. Who are the jews to say what is anti-semitic. It is for WASPS on broadband to do that.

[Don Claybrook]

1. why do you want quotes from the extreme right?

I have absolutely nothing in common with David Duke. What's your relationship with him? What is it you want? Are you here to cause trouble? Do you really think this is an intelligent line of reasoning, because I see it as the troublemaking words of a warmonger. Take your death and killing fantasies elsewhere.

[jonnyblitz]

3. he's losing it. seriously. probably best to ignore him. nt

[DemFromMem]

4. Cause trouble?

The poster states an opinion that you disagree with so you call him a trouble maker. So much for this being DEMOCRATIC Underground where freedom of expression is celebrated.

[Don Claybrook]

11. tell it to someone who will fall for this line of tripe

yes, here to cause trouble. Open your eyes and quit being disingenuous. I have no time for garbage like this. Is there some part of this dynamic that eludes you, "Dem"?

[me b zola]

27. Yes cause trouble, disrupt and be a source of friction

Not because his view point is different. It is the nature of his non-sequitur statements that are disruptive.

I oppose bush*s administration & policies. Am I anti-American? Do I hate America? Far from it.

In the name of all that is good, please stop this maddness.

[k_jerome]

7. I see quotes from Pat Buchanan to support anti Israel positions...

how far is he from David Duke? why stop there?

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[me b zola]

36. I swear that I did not see your post when I posted above (#27)

The sentiment of "stop the madness" must be held by quite a few of us.

Me, I've alerted on this thread and will continue to alert on threads that I believe are posted just to create conflict using the nastiest of broad-brushes.

[Xeric]

5. That really is low

To suggest that anybody that criticizes Israeli poicy is somehow a David Duke supporter is both illogical and inflamatory.
I am an American Jew. I do not support Israel in it's collective punishment of the Lebanese people. Does that make me a David Duke supporter? Obviously not. This kind of hyperbole does not help your argument.
Apologists for these atrocities are increasingly relying on these kind of disingenuous arguments to make their dubious case.

[Scurrilous]

6. LOL

K & R :thumbsup:

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[k_jerome]

9. its the same rhetoric from a different source. nt.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. I know. If you didn't know it was David Duke

it could just as easily be from DU....which is exactly where I thought it came from when I read it.

[everythingsxen]

22. Many of the recent posts...

are indistinguishable from CU, FR, or Storm-Front.

I guess racism crosses all political boundaries.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Obviously. n/t

[k_jerome]

30. there was a response to a recent post of mine that said....

"gotta love them jews."

WTF??

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. WTF?

is right! My favorite is the "Zionist Bitch" post from Saturday. Someone, who shall remain nameless, didn't like the news reporter on TV and what she was saying and called her a Zionist Bitch. Lovely, isn't it?

[k_jerome]

45. no anti semitism here though..

just legitimate criticism of Israels policy.

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62. they find it so offensive, when they say the same things...

almost word for word as David Duke. It is tragically funny.

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17. just for clarification...

who is "they"? Jews, zionists or the dark spectre that is Israel?

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[manic expression]

85. Is that supposed to be a point?

You still have not answered my posts, you choose to keep your head firmly buried in a considerable amount of sand.

Your incoherent ramblings continue. Your irrationality is so clear anyone with a shred of sanity can see that you are off your rocker in a big way. Try to get a grip and answer a post with a semblance of rationality.

[k_jerome]

14. actually, it does not seem that way...

can't trust in that many coincidental similarity.

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[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Oh yes. I can select what Google search engine spits out.

:eyes:

Too bad you can't deny it hasn't been said here on DU. We've all read the posts. Hmmmm....:eyes:

[everythingsxen]

15. It's a waste of time amigo...

The line of thinking is this:

01 Bush = Evil *
02 Bush supports Israel **
03 If Bush supports Israel, then Israel = Evil
04 If You support Israel, then You support Bush
05 If You support Bush, the You = Evil

It's just stupid reactionary crap. Unfortunately reactionary insanity is the new fashion right now.

* I agree with this
** Every other president, including Clinton, supported Israel as well for a very long time now. I have to wonder how much hate and vitriol certain DUers would spew at Clinton.....

[k_jerome]

21. not only every President, but every congressman...

and the large majority of the citizens of this country. As I said, there are fringe elements on the left and right that see common ground when it comes to attitude toward Israel.

[GAPeace]

31. That it should follow international humanitarian law?

That's a real fringe element right there.

[manic expression]

47. Not really

Boneheads, white supremacists and neo-nazis hate Israel just because they are Jewish. That's it.

The left's problem with Israel has nothing to do with religion or identity or ethnicity or otherwise, it has everything to do with Israel's atrocities, ethnic cleansing, disgusting policies, land theft, murder and more.

To compare or try to connect the two is dishonest, petty, insipid, ignorant, myopic, stupid and worse.

You really are without a clue, aren't you? Get a grip, and quick.

[k_jerome]

51. your left? my represenatives support Israel...and will continue to

much to your disappointment.

[yurbud]

32. that's clever. So essentially you buy into the Bushie 'with us or

against us' crap, and if anyone suggests what Israel is doing is counter-productive, let alone wrong, they must be a Nazi or crazed Bush-hater, not a concerned ally.

[k_jerome]

35. do you buy into the white supremacist exterminate all jews crap?

if not, do not make assumptions of others.

[manic expression]

42. What are you talking about?

you really aren't making any sense at all.

[everythingsxen]

46. No..

I am suggesting that some DUers have gone gaga over hating Israel simply because they hate Bush. And it is a far cry from criticism to " OMG ISRAEL IS INTENTIONALLY MURDERING BABIES!!!" which is what is posted all too frequently.

[manic expression]

49. Anyone who looks at the history of the conflict

with a shred of objectivity, and anyone who grasps the nature of the situation would say those things, and say them loud.

Read up:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1516268,00.html

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[norml]

19. If you want quotes from the extreme right, try the Israel bots.

They're full of them.

[BuyingThyme]

23. The extreme right supports war in the Middle East.

Dead Jews and Muslims is chocolate and peanut butter.

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[k_jerome]

79. i thought we established this long ago...

i have seen your methods of debate on numerous other threads with people soon placing you on ignore. while i will not do so, i will not engage in a debate with you, as i have been well warned of your tactics. good night.

[AlienGirl]

87. The extreme right (white supremacists, etc.) are also against this war

The "far right" that raises money for Israel is not that extreme edge of the right-wing. The David Duke types are also against this war (and incidentally also against the Iraq war, which they believe is "for Israel").

Tucker

[fujiyama]

25. I'm not a fan of Hagel

but in all honesty, his statement was pretty balanced. He even made it clear that the "US relationship with Israel was special". He just stated support for a cease-fire. I don't think that's enough to call one an anti-Semite.

I judge people ultimately by a collection of comments over time as well as personality traits. Pat Buchanan is very likely an anti-Semite. He has a history of making such insensitive statements (often thinly veiled though). David Duke is OBVIOUSLY an anti-Semite and blatantly and outright blames Jews for all the problems of the world. Of course, I believe Duke has endorsed Buchanan in the past, so ideaologically they are not all that far apart.

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[k_jerome]

33. no they are not...

neo nazi fascists and white supremacists are ever anti Jew. Make different things up please.

[Tom Joad]

38. Karl Rove supports Israeli actions.

[k_jerome]

43. Russ Feingold as well...as a matter of fact..

all Democratic senators. see resolution unanimous vote.

Source for Karl Rove?

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[in_cog_ni_to]

84. There it is again...Israel owns our government. That's exactly what David

Duke said. Howard DEAN supports Israel. Is he owned by them too? Howard Dean, the darling of the Progressive movement. Do The Jews own the media and banks too?

The ONLY reason the RW wacko nut jobs say they support Israel is because they NEED Israel to get their Rapture ON. That is the ONLY reason. They HATE Jews. According to them, all Jews must convert and if they don't they MUST DIE. They don't support Israel. They just SAY they do, but you BUY THAT SHIT? You actually believe repuke REALLY support Israel because they LIKE Jews?

[JackNewtown]

67. Feingold received $113,000 from AIPAC when he ran in 2004

Feingold is hardly a model on this.

[k_jerome]

71. Feingold supports Israel because of money...

is this your assertion?

[manic expression]

82. Did you even read the post?

Go back, read it again, comprehend the words, then comment. It's not that hard.

[azurnoir]

52. The righties claim

that Duke and the Nazi's are left wing extremeists using the same talking points as the post here BTW. What no one seems to get is that the righties may hate Jews but they hate Arabs more and "the enemy of my enemy is........" at least for now. Of course oil and arms contracts or money, money, money is in the mix also.

[DistressedAmerican]

53. So these right wingers are not on your side?

Not this guy?

http://www.jhm.org/exodus2.asp

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Or this guy:

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060719-114210-7639r.htm

Christian group lines up behind Israel
By Alison Hoover
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
July 20, 2006

Leaders of the five-month-old movement Christians United For Israel and evangelicals expressed support for Israel yesterday at a press conference in the Capitol, urging Congress to follow suit.
They explained their stance to a standing-room-only crowd of about 75 people.
"It is not a popular position for the international media, for most of Europe, or for the world," said the Rev. Jerry Falwell. "But it's the right thing to do."


How about this guy?

http://www.patrobertson.com/Speeches/speechreaction.asp

Christian Zionists Heralded in Israel

By Craig Nelson
Cox News Service

Israel's leaders react enthusiastically to Pat Robertson's Christian Zionism.

HERZLIYA, Israel -- As they say in the preaching business, Pat Robertson had them in the palm of his hand.

No matter that his audience wasn't predominantly Christian, let alone American. They drank up every word. And when the founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network culminated his give-no-ground speech to the elite of Israel's political and military establishment with the ringing declaration, "Be strong! Be strong!" many of his listeners jumped to their feet to give him a boisterous round of applause.

The rapturous response to Robertson here last week is just one example of how a large and growing group of conservative American Christians has entered Israel's political scene with startling vigor, even as the Holy Land's indigenous Christian communities wither due to war and a dying economy.

Calling themselves Christian Zionists, they are increasingly viewed as a political lifeline by influential Israelis who are eager for allies to fight what they see as a rising global tide of hate aimed at Jews and Israel and to blunt suggestions that Israel is the main culprit in the Israeli-Palestinian morass.



When are you going to admit that you are in bed with the Christian Right?

The facts are clear to all but you.

The tip of the evidence iceberg is above. Are you so in denial that I'll have to bring you even more quotes and facts? Or are facts irrelevant to you?

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[azurnoir]

65. Apparently you haven't been paying attention

the neo-nazi's right now in Europe particularly Germany and Norway are concentrating their vile on Arab and African immigrants, most of whom are Muslim.

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[k_jerome]

86. the left supports Israel. Every Democrat in the Senate supports...

Israel. Your views on on the fringe. So far on the fringe it overlaps with the racist right.

[JackNewtown]

64. Go to FR and find out for yourself

Who are 98% of the people there backing with the same blind support that Bush is?

[k_jerome]

73. bi partisan support. even better. nt.

[Tom Joad]

34. Why do you quote David Duke?

[k_jerome]

44. if I didn't cite David Duke...

it would have been recommended for the greatest page 100 times.

[Wonk]

48. OMGzors!!1!1 David Duke is ghostwriting for Human Rights Watch!!!1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1795978

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[oberliner]

59. Only David Duke says "Zionists control the US government"

Thankfully, neither Human Rights Watch nor anyone on DU would make a claim as obviously anti-semitic as that.

[k_jerome]

75. see posts in this and many other threads, my friend. nt.

[mmonk]

40. So.

Anyone who thinks that the response is heavy handed should be aligned with the extreme right? Or are you uncomfortable that the extreme right is also in the war corner?

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[jonnyblitz]

72. I think this is awesome, too. for the exact reason!

I would sit here quietly if they didn't keep posting these lunatic threads. :crazy:

i think i am going to recommend this thread.

[regnaD kciN]

70. Because the extreme right is currently PRO-Israel, maybe?

:shrug:

Also, because those critical of current Israeli policies can get all the quotes we would ever need from respected, moderate sources, thank you. (And, while we're at it, isn't your "question" basically the same as wondering why those of us opposed to Bush aren't quoting Osama?)

[everythingsxen]

83. No..

at least if you mean the the extreme right-wing as in neo-nazis and white supremacists. They are actually anti-Israel *gasp* and they are also strongly opposed to the Iraq war. Most of their talking points would no doubt be agreed with by people here on DU, which is of course how it always starts...

[Fenris]

89. Locking.

This thread has run its course.