Nader to host two news conferences about Lieberman on Wednesday, 8/2.

[MarkDevin]

I know some of you ain't that nuts about Nader, but I thought this was worth passing along:

Consumer advocate and former presidential candidate Ralph Nader will
hold news conferences in Hartford and New Haven on Wednesday, August 2
on the subject of "Big Business and Senator Joseph I. Lieberman -
Alliance for Injustice."

Hartford: 1:30 pm, The Central Baptist Chuch, 457 Main Street, second
floor chapel (across from the Federal Courthouse).

New Haven: 4:00 pm, the New Haven Public Library, the program room on
the lower floor (corner of Temple and Elm).

[davidinalameda]

1. hasn't he done enough damage

I'm betting some people will vote for Lieberman simply because Nader is against him

[GAPeace]

4. He's helped save millions of lives by taking on

corporations and working with Public Citizen, actually.

[wordpix2]

8. all that's great but he also helped King George steal office by making

the margin between Dems and Repugs very small. Dems could have used a couple of percentage points in '00.

[GAPeace]

10. The election was STOLEN; Gore WON! Nader isn't guilty here

It's good to try to scapegoat him, to attack someone who tried to change the system for the better but failed -- but didn't stop Gore from winning (a coup de tat did that).

[flyarm]

9. and he helped out little lord pissy pants get the WH

and that has killed hundreds of thousands...

all over the world!

fly

[GAPeace]

11. Actually Bush lost the election and took office anyway

Nader had nothing to do with that my friend.

[still_one]

17. really, and I assume his statement that there was NO difference

between Gore and bush, and his lack of endorsement for Gore didn't matter huh?

I am sick of the nader appologists

He knew how close the election was, and he was encouraged to endorse Gore, but instead thought his importance was much greater than it is

any good that he had every done, is erased by his actions during 2000

[GAPeace]

20. Why would he endorse Gore exactly?

He stood for something compeletely different, and in any democracy people should have choice.

Continuing to blame him for 2000 is really getting old; you're blaming citizens for not picking between 2 elites, and you realize that one of the elites won and the election was still stolen and you STILL are hammering Nader over it. I mean it's getting old.

He's a powerful progressive who did more for this country as activist than Gore did as VP, and I'm glad he's helping Lamont here. I don't see Greens up in arms over Nader helping the Democrats here.

[still_one]

26. what are you doing on Democratic Underground?

this is a blog for Democratics WHO SUPPORT DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES, no green party ones

seems like you may have an agenda which has NOTHING TO DO WITH DEMOCRATS WINNING

[GAPeace]

30. Jeese before you accuse me of being in conspiracy

I'm defending the concept of democracy -- of giving people choice here. I'm not saying I even supported Nader over Gore. I support Democracy, which goes to the root of every political party and has nothing to do with party affiliation.

If Gore was a worthy candidate he could take the heat of some competition. That's democracy for you.

And he did take the competition and won the election -- but then the Dems rolled over in challenging the results. The Greens and Libertarians challenged Ohio 2004. You see why they're appealing? They stand up to organized power with organized people sometimes. Our Democratic leaders could give it a shot. And this isn't a blog, by the way...

[flyarm]

46. nader was asked to stay our of fla and tight races.very tight races..

he basically told the country to go cheney itself!

we in Fla begged him to stay out of fla..he knew damn well what he was doing!

and he didn't give a rats crap!

fly

[still_one]

15. BS, in 2000 the votes that went to nader would have made

Gore the winner

But The most damning statement from nader was when he said there was NO DIFFERENCE between Al Gore and george bush

F**K nader and the horse he road on

he knew how close the election was, frickn' hypocrite with his magellen funds

eat the global warming nader and company because you SAID THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE!!!

and now they are trying to screw up Penn.

[GAPeace]

16. The votes that went to Gore could've made Nader win!T

The votes that went to Bush could've made Gore win!

You see where this logic is going? Gore won; the election was stolen, and you blame the concept of democracy itself it looks like.

[still_one]

19. go to the green party blog

because the lame excuses won't be accepted here. People know there is and WAS a difference between Al Gore and George Bush

A lot of republicans are supporting the green party candidate against Casey in Penn, and that says everything about your party

your just a spoiler nothing more

[Don Claybrook]

28. excepted from what?

or did you mean accepted?

This is a place for Democrats and other progressives. Read all about it before you dredge this same old tired line up.......again.

[still_one]

31. when it is between a democrat and a non-democrat

you are wrong, this is for democrats

thanks for the spelling correction, nevertheless, nader is a loser

"Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

THE KEY LINE IS SUPPORT DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR POLITICAL OFFICE, NOT SPOILERS

[Don Claybrook]

40. thanks for the quote

I didn't want to dig it out. I believe you have identified the "key line" and I don't believe that's within your domain.

Democrats and other progressives. Generally supportive of progressive ideals and support Democratic candidates. Check on all counts. The Greens (and less strictly speaking, the progressive green-types) serve as the conscience of the Democratic party when Democrats stray and start to get all republican and bloodthirsty and forgetting about the poor and the environment and so on. None of them really need lectures from people such as yourself who are further to the right than they are.

[still_one]

42. I have my views, and I will state them, just as you will state yours

but I will tell you this I WILL VOTE DEMOCRATIC, NOT GREEN

[Don Claybrook]

43. Good.

Does it surprise you to know that I'm a registered Democrat and that I've never voted Green or GOP or anything besides Democratic? But I won't get down on progressives who are out there every day doing good things. Say what you want about Nader but please lose the holier-than-thou thing r.e. true progressives.

And yes, I reserve the right to vote Green if and when the occasion arises.

[still_one]

44. no it doesn't surprise me, and when you go into the voting booth

it is a secret ballot, and we all have that privledge if we choose to exercise it

[jwirr]

45. The bigger the margin of win for Gore the less likely *ss could

argue that he was the winner. The votes Nader took from Gore helped make it look like it was too close to call - thus the SCOTUS got to elect their pResident.

[MarkDevin]

49. Why do you assume that all Nader voters would've gone for Gore?

Whether or not Nader had run, there was no way the Al Gore of 2000 was getting my vote, especially not after he picked his running mate. Sorry!

[sandnsea]

5. I know

I don't think any other single action has made me question Nader more than getting involved in the CT race when it's already going so well for Lamont. The only thing he can possibly do is create a backlash. What an idiot.. or something.

[GAPeace]

12. I wonder how can one of the most powerful progressive activists

cause a backlash? It doesn't seem very possible.

[sandnsea]

18. Not among progressives

Among the majority of Democrats who hate the guy for screwing up 2000 and continuing to prefer to bash Democrats over Republicans. A mainstream Dem might be willing to give Lamont a listen as long as he isn't selling himself as a left Green Nader style Dem. Nader butting in doesn't help that process, he hurts and he would have to be an idiot to not know that he's hurting. Lamont has all the Nader influenced votes he's going to get, Nader can't do anything now except turn off the middle.

[GAPeace]

22. Nader engages people who are apathetic to mainstream politics

20% of the votes that went to Nader in 2000 were estimated to have gone GOP had he not run.

[sandnsea]

32. It's too late to be engaging the "apathetic"

He should have done that when they could have registered to vote.

[GAPeace]

33. A lot of these people are well-registered but just don't show up

Haven't you seen that the numbers of REGISTERED VOTERS hit like 30% maybe in these types of elections?

[sandnsea]

37. If he wanted Lamont to win, he should have been helping

He didn't. He waits until the last minute to gain some press and feed his ego, that's it. Nader voters are not registered Dems, there is nobody he is going to appeal to at this late hour except to turn off mainstream voters. But you go on and tell everybody about election strategy, seeings as how Greens win so many and all.

[GAPeace]

38. Well if you assume he is evil like that

and is out to help Lieberman -- for some psycho reason we all believe that...

[sandnsea]

47. Every movement needs a nemesis

What's Nader going to do without Dems like Lieberman to spew at.

[blm]

41. Nader was great when he helped Kerry on IranContra and BCCI when no one

in congress would stick their necks out and investigate with him. THAT should have been important to Nader - he KNEW Kerry was nothing like Bush and knew he was an open government lawmaker, but he decided to punish Kerry and America and the rest of the world because Kerry is a Democrat.

[Donnachaidh]

48. Nader wants face time --

his ego is probably trying to figure out if he should run again in 08.

Stay the hell out of it Ralphie. Your *opinion* and your presence are not wanted.

[adriennui]

2. nader is a jinx...

it would be just like him to help scuttle lamont's campaign. he's a spoiled brat who is resentful of anyone new acheiving political success.

[wordpix2]

7. sounds like he's trying to hit Lieberman on the head, not Lamont, tho'

[liberaltrucker]

3. Oh....my.....God!

Why doesn't this fucktwit just go the fuck away.

:puke:

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

6. Nader is a Connecticut citizen and a LONGTIME critic of Joe's

His criticism isn't anything really new. But he'll emphasize some key points add to the fire by hitting Lieberman on all his corporate ties.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

13. Nader is dead to me.

I will NEVER forgive him for saying there is no difference between the 2 parties. I will always get his point, and I get it now more than ever, about the corruption of corporate money, but he really sold us into the hands of the devil. There was an eensy, beensy, beensy bit of difference between the 2 parties. Kind of the difference between heaven and hell with no limbo option.

[MarkDevin]

14. He never said there was no difference between the two parties.

What Nader said was that there were few major difference between Bush and Gore. And at the time, he was right.

Of course, nonw of this has a thing to do with the news conferences he's having tomorrow.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

23. I think this thread pretty much says it all

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Ralph_Nader_Principles_+_Values.htm

[still_one]

29. excellent post

[still_one]

36. nice nuance

he also said there was really no difference between Bush and Gore. Let me tell there is a REAL DIFFERENCE

[citizen snips]

21. who cares about what nader has to say?

he probably wants see his name in the headlines.

[1932]

24. Arthur Levitt Jr's book Take on the Street has three references to Joe

and none of them is flattering (Levitt was Clinton's SEC Chairman).

1. on Page 109:
"... decline, along with economic growth. Even the Clinton administration pressured the FASB to withdraw its rule. Congressional Interference Senator Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut Democrat who would become Al Gore's running mate in 2000, led the charge against the FASB rule. He ..."

2. on Page 241:
"... accounting firms from doing consulting work for their audit clients. But none was a more formidable foe than Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. The former vice-presidential candidate now chairs the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, one of the twelve panels investigating the ..."

3. on Page 242:
"... 242 ARTHUR LEV ITT No group cheered Lieberman louder than the high-tech industry- the biggest users of options and the source of millions in campaign contributions. Lieberman was ..."


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[cynatnite]

25. I wonder if the repukes are paying for it n/t

[still_one]

27. they are contributing to the green party candidate in Penn

[cynatnite]

35. Can someone help me out with this?

I know the Green Party needs the money, but do they realize what's going on here? Surely they're not that blind.

As it is right now, I could never vote for a member of the Green Party. It feels like I would be helping the repukes and I don't want any part of that.

It's always been a good party from what I've seen in the past, but with how it's being used today just turns my stomach.

The repukes have got to get pushed out of power before they destroy everything.

[still_one]

39. They lost my respect in 2000

In reality, they will not make much of a difference anymore. In 2000 people didn't know better. Today they do. Those that would vote green today, we wouldn't get their votes anyway

As far as I can see this thread is only flame bait because they know the strong feelings most Democrats feel about nader

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

34. sorry! dupe.