Green Party: Is this how the Reps will steal 06?

[CoffeeCat]

So, Rick Sanitarium is helping someone from the Green Party enter the PA race?

How kind of Ricky to ensure that all points of view are represented in our voting process (((heavy sarcasm)))

I'm wondering if the Green Party will be a tactical Republican ploy? They'll encourage (and even fund) Green- and other third-party candidates to jump into races. Races will be more easily stolen with a third-party candidate. We all know how rampant vote-switching was in 00 and 04. Many votes for Kerry switched to Bush.

If you could program the voting machines to "switch" a certain percentage of Dem votes to third party votes AND switch some Dem votes to Republican votes--you'd have quite the little scam going on.

Fraud would be less detectable this way too, because the numbers would be spread out among three candidates.

It seems like Rick reallllly wants a Green Party candidate to run. Could vote stealing be the reason why?

(edited to fix error.)

[lastknowngood]

1. It could be. I am very disheartened with the Dem's right now as they

cheer on the spread of death and destruction in Iraq, Lebanon and can't wait to support the shrub's invasion of Iran, Syria et al.

[Cobalt-60]

2. Isn't Santorum a term for post sexual anal discharge?

[mmonk]

3. Well I hope he is defeated

and Green votes won't keep him in when he could be out. But then again, why are Green party candidates a threat? What's the true cause and effect (and I'm not a Green, but would like a clean answer)?

[BlooInBloo]

7. Because GP voters prefer to vote against Democrats than against repubs.

[mmonk]

13. If true, then logic would have them vote republican

and scrap a third party (if the purpose to vote Green is primarily to vote against democrats) or do their candidates only run against democrats?

[never_get_over_it]

4. I thought the exact thing when I heard about the Green Party

getting in the race - having the third party in the race will make it easier to steal as far as making the public believe the Santorum win. We are not going to take back the House or the Senate "they" are going to steal this thing again....feel it in my bones....hope my bones are wrong but sadly don't think they are

[JanusAscending]

5. UH, you lost me when you said,

"many Kerry votes switched to Gore"????????????? Good trick if that could have been done!!!

[CoffeeCat]

6. Fixed it....I guess it was

....subconscious wishful thinking. A choice between Kerry and Gore certainly wouldn't have led to the outcome we have today. :)

[tyedyeto]

8. Diebold machines are more likely to 'steal' elections...

than any third party.

Read up on on how votes have been cast and registered as voted for Repugs, when the actual vote cast was for a Democrat. Diebold has been 'counting' votes with no paper trail since 2000, always with a Repug 'winner'.

[LynneSin]

9. Greens are so blind on this board

it's all this "WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO RUN". Well if the Greens were meant to be on that PA Senate race ticket they would have gotten the 67k signatures needed without republican contributions. Even Romanelli admits the only way he could get on was with the help of republicans

[jonnyblitz]

11. even if he DID have a remote chance in hell, this taking of GOP

money just taints him way too badly. he is damaged goods and he can do nothing but fuck shit up. this is hardly rocket science and I am hardly a "loyal DEMBOT" who demands how I think people should vote .

I totally understand your fury! :hug: :hi:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

10. I think this is informative

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Ralph_Nader_Principles_+_Values.htm

[Historic NY]

15. Nader indicates that he relishes the fact that Bush is now in office

Dems will lose until they become more progressive
Nader says he has no problem with Greens picking off a Democrat here or there. In fact, he appears to savor the prospect of Dems facing the wrath of the "Green hammer," as he terms it. "You can't pick and choose. Once you do, you perform like a fusion party. And whenever there's a good Democrat you find yourself saying, 'We're not going to grow our party in this district for this office, because he's okay.' Certainly they would never show us that kind of solicitude."
Source: Nader: Crusader, Spoiler, Icon, by Justin Martin, p.281 Sep 1, 2002

Bush intensifies contradictions and galvanizes progressives
Nader indicates that he relishes the fact that Bush is now in office. His reason: a so-called intensify-the-contradictions theory. Remember, Nader had some of his most conspicuous successes with Nixon in office, and by contrast he felt stymied under Carter and Clinton. Often he has benefited from the stark relief provided by Republican politics. Unquestionably, a Bush presidency threatens Nader's agenda on everything from antitrust to torts. But Nader has actually suggested that the threat might help galvanize progressives. " Both parties do the same thing, one covertly, one overtly," he said in 2001. "Which one is going to get more people mad? Which one is going to get more people organized?"
Source: Nader: Crusader, Spoiler, Icon, by Justin Martin, p.271 Sep 1, 2002

In the above context Nader suports the war in Iraq and the Republican controled Congress.

[leesa]

12. They will use many different ways including this one if necessary

This is what they do...they steal votes, disenfranchise voters, disappear machines, call voters to stay home, jam phones, mess up primaries. They will do anything and everything to win.

[insane_cratic_gal]

14. I don't understand this? DEMOCRATIC Country

It's an IDEA not just a party.


DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED officials.. people get to decide.

Let them throw their money at them, they aren't going to divide the vote.. you don't know PA or Casey's rep in PA (personally I'd rather vote for Chuck but he won't make the final cut)

2006: Casey 54% Santorum 34%. they can't shave that sort of numbers off of Casey.. for Dogshit to win

[LynneSin]

18. Sweetie, don't even fool yourself into thinking this one is a done deal

ANd don't you dare insult me into thinking I don't know Pennsylvania Politics, hell I lived in the fricking state for 30+ years including two elections with Rick Santorum.

And if I rate people who vote for the PA Green Party democratic paid for by Rick Santorum as dumbass, then you should know I rate anyone who actually thinks a 20pt lead with 3 months til the election a sure bet even LOWER.

Rick Santorum is one of the DIRTIEST fighters around and he's already started to move his rhertoric to the middle to dupe unsuspecting voters. And have you checked out SURVEYUSA's recent ranking of US Senators? Rick Santorum's approval went UP.

June - 36% http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/100USSenatorApproval060620State.htm
July - 43% http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/100USSenatorApproval060725State.htm

So trust me, this race ain't over and I'm gonna have to stop watching TV for the next 3 months because the onslaught of commericials he'll be spewing out will make you nauseous. (I live in Delaware but in the Philly Metro region).

[insane_cratic_gal]

21. Well I'm living here now

I can tell you the bible belt of PA isn't going to vote for a Green Candidate.. over Casey

People are seeming suggesting that a Green Candidate is going to peel the race off of Casey, It's not happening. It'll be like the 2004 Nader effect 1 percent.

Please check the derogatory shit at the door, I don't require it nor appreciate it. Why do you have to do that? Just make your statement without insulting a person, you don't add anything to it by being snarky. See your post to Jerry, it carries the same snide remarks.

Survey of 600 people isn't the pulse of the entire state of PA and 62 percent of being republican isn't exactly in the bag

[jerry611]

16. You support the 2-party system? Because I do not!

I refuse to support the 2-party system. I vote for who I think can do the best job. If that person is a democrat, he gets my vote. If that person is a green, he gets my vote. If that person is an independant, he gets my vote.
I do not cast a vote for someone simply because they may have a better chance of winning against someone who I don't want.

Democracy in America is being destroyed by the Democrats and Republicans. And I refuse to be a pawn of either party in their chess maches.

[LynneSin]

17. When the Green Candidate is paid for by the Republican party, guess what

IT'S A TWO PARTY SYSTEM

Get of your high horse and read about what that guy in PA did - he ADMITS the GOP paid for the signaure campaign. Geez!

So personally, I fine people like you DIMWITTED with your moralistic "WAH WAH WAH I HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR A THIRD PARTY" when the fucking third party is nothing more than a tool paid for by no less than RICK SANTORUM in order to actually get into the race. Had the republicans not put up the money they wouldn't have had the signatures. And you know the greens aren't going to win so why would Rick Santorum help get this guy in the race?

D'OH!!! If you can't figure out then you're a dimwit too. And guess what you're a pawn of the republican party, congratulations

[MadHound]

19. Will Dems use the Greens as a scapegoat

In order to avoid confronting their own failure, and thus maintain the illusion that all is well within the party? Certainly seems that way:shrug: Whine and moan about Greens running for national office, now whining and moaning about Greens running for statewide office. And now whining and moaning that the Greens sucked up a good portion of their opponents money. Why, because they're afaid of losing a couple percentage points in the vote, please.

Look, if the Democrats want to negate the Greens, all they have to do is start supporting a couple of the left's sacred cows, UHC, a living wage, getting out of Iraq. If they would do this, then the Greens would be absolutely no effect. But if the Dems continue to ignore the left, both within the party and without, well then, I guess they'll have to worry about the Greens.

[Historic NY]

20. I think the Democrats are as much as they can.......

Look, if the Democrats want to negate the Greens, all they have to do is start supporting a couple of the left's sacred cows, UHC, a living wage, getting out of Iraq.

Lets see a majority support getting out of Iraq or at least redeploying. Oh yeah there are some that don't thats whats is called a difference of opinion. A living wage well we all saw last week what the Republican would give you minimum wage wise....hell in many cases if you work for tips well you end up with less. It pretty good that since 1997 the minimum wage has remained at a standstill while the raises Congress paid itself boosted their salary. The Senate better dump this last bill or at the very least re-write it or a big portion ofthe service environment is going to be hurt bad. If the Green so supported the hard left they thay can support the progressive central. I live near New Paltz and the only Green Party politician in NY state (elected) has learned it isn't all about being Green. Last I heard the Republicans have blocked every piece of Democratic Legislation....so when you blame the Democrats remember they control nothing.

I equate the Green's taking Republican support & money to being traitors to their own cause.