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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:59 PM
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Looks like it's a full court press tonight
As the truly rabid try to purge any of us who are sane.

You know, it's like 100 days until elections and you people only care about Israel.

The Dem leadership supports Israel, apparently the base (theoretically that's you) does not. So what will that mean? Will you still vote for them? Or do you not care and just want to keep bashing Israel?
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:00 PM
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1. You're not a liberal or Democrat, why should you care?
You said so yourself. You're not a liberal, or a democrat.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:19 PM
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6. Are you going to repeat that over and over again?
What exactly is your point? For the most part I support the Democratic party and have basically nothing in common with the current incarnation of the Republicans. If there were a third party that actually had any possibility of winning I would no doubt vote for them.

At any rate, this site is not for Democrats only. It is in fact for people who are opposed to the Bush administrations policies and people who are for the most part progressives. (though with some of the posts on here lately, I shudder to think of what that progression is toward)
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:23 PM
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9. "At any rate, this site is not for Democrats only."
LOL Are you sure about that. Would you like to ask the site owners about that?

Ask them how they feel about 3rd party candidates and tell me this site isn't for Democrats only....

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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:51 PM
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20. Ok, let's ask them...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html


--snip--

2. Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

--snip--

That sounds definitely like I am allowed to be here. I do enjoy your attacks though.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:02 PM
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2. I don't care for the war
that Neocons want to take us through like attacking multiple countries and trying to control them over the next 30 years and implementing a police state here at home. Call me funny that way.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:07 PM
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3. Oh, it won't hurt you, it's only a pod.... n/t
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:12 PM
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4. I support Israel's right to exist. But I don't support
American backed Israeli military/political blunders that will wind up endangering our troops in Iraq, tarring both Israel and America in the eyes of virtually the entire world, destroying the lives of hundreds of innocents, probably wrecking a nascent democracy in Lebanon, and creating more terrorists than we had to contend with before the operation started.

Yeah, I'm upset with that. Should I ignore it and just say, business as usual, Oh Silent Democratic leadership, blunder on!
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:22 PM
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8. I am opposed to that too....
given some of the attacks I have had hurled at me like so much feces from a monkey cage, you would think I was helping engineer that war, simply because I agree with Israel (a completely separate nation from the U.S.) that they have a right to fight Hezbollah and stop them from attacking Israel (again, just to be clear, a separate nation from the U.S.)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:07 PM
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25. heh heh
"hurled at me like so much feces from a monkey cage"

:rofl:

Don't worry. I've had similar hurled at me for my criticisms of Israel's heavy handedness in Lebanon though I support an Israeli right of response in some manner.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:13 PM
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5. Wrong. I care about Israel....
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 10:15 PM by KAZ
...but I disagree vehemently with their current tactics. What their government is doing now is insuring more Israeli dead and wounded, leaving aside what's in store for the rest of the ME. And I am sick to death of being told that "I want the destruction of all Jews" just because I disagree with their current course of action.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:25 PM
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11. I also disagree with their tactics..
however, they are a sovereign nation and it is their mistake to make. They have endured rocket attacks for years and it may be that this seems like the only thing they can do to stop them.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:22 PM
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7. you seriously need to calm down. all this screaming about
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 10:24 PM by jonnyblitz
us wanting you exterminated is a bit over the top. I don't know what reaction you expect! I am not coming back to this thread because you are seriously creeping me out. :scared:
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adriennui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:28 PM
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15. the word was purged,,,
as in purged by DU. you're riling things up for no legitimate reason.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:29 PM
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16. I didn't say "exterminated" I said purged.
Big difference.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:56 PM
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22. Your words:
Yep a small minority who thinks the Jews don't deserve extermination

I am sure we will all be gone soon and and you can proudly proclaim how the world is now safe from the terrors of ZOG.





Those are your words. You were suggesting some of us think the jews should be exterminated...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1794834#1794856
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:11 PM
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26. Wow way to quote me out of context!
You win the Fraudulent News Award for the evening! :applause:

And yes, *I* do think some of *you* would be rather happy with the extermination of the Jews. Not necessarily you, I am sure some of your best friends are Jews....


And as I noted later in response to another reply to that, I was being facetious. Oh sorry here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1794834#1794980
and http://www.answers.com/facetious&r=67
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:24 PM
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10. actually the base does support Israel...
there are fringe elements on both sides that hate Israel. On the right they are called fascists and white supremacists (KKK, neo-nazis, etc). I don't know what they are called on the left. There are several interesting takes on it on the internet. Search "new anti semitism" for starters.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:26 PM
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13. I don't hate Israel, I simply don't approve of their attack on Lebanon.
Is that so hard to grasp?

If you support Israel invading Lebanon, you might as well have supported us going into Iraq.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:33 PM
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18. Except they are not the same thing.
They aren't the same ballpark, hell they aren't even the same sport.

In Iraq we clearly invaded a sovereign country for no justifiable reason.

In Lebanon, Israel (a separate nation from the U.S.) has been attacking Hezbollah (a terrorist organization who has stated as it's goal the destruction of Israel and the death of Jews) positions which are inside the country of Lebanon. The Lebanese Government was unable or unwilling to stop Hezbollah for several years, so Israel took matters into it's own hands.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:26 PM
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14. Didn't the ADL put that out or have something to do with it?
'The New Anti-Semitism?" Norm Finkelstein writes about it in his book that rips Dershowitz's book to shreads. It's the book that tells you that criticizing Israel is anti-semitism. THAT's where you all are getting that crap. geesh.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:35 PM
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19. no, just noticing the similarities between many posts here...
and the writings of David Duke. The fringe left and right agree on their hatred of Israel.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:25 PM
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12. "you people only care about Israel" You people? You're here.
You're either with us or agin us! :evilgrin:

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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:33 PM
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17. but you have to be FOR Israel - the propaganda office has spoken!
they said lets ditch Iraq it's too boring and ler's have a big war in the ME between Syria and Israel and the US public will be happy.

PS/ Most of them are on vacation or out at the store buying school supplies.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:53 PM
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21. I don't...
have enough eyes to roll at your statement. :eyes:
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GAPeace Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:58 PM
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23. We have human consciences and souls so we apparently want the Dems to lose
They're probably going to win in quite a landslide just from domestic issues. That's just how it is. Israel has never been a factor in our elections because anti-IsraeliRW candidates rarely run in the first place.

But we should care about where blood is being spilled with our money and support. It's called morality and we don't abandon it for election-year politics.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:03 PM
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24. What A Bunch Of Misguided Malarky.
First off, the Israel situation is a pretty friggin important one. Secondly, at this moment there are 61 fucking threads on the first page alone that have nothing to fucking do with the ME conflict. Only 19 of 80 do. So stop being so blind and selectively seeing only the threads you want to see. Even in the face of how important the ME conflict is, DU'ers are still well rounded enough and multi-tasking enough to still discuss and inform on a plethora of other issues, as can be seen by the 61 fucking threads on the first page alone that have nothing to fucking do with the ME conflict.

Trying to spin reality to imply that DU'ers no longer care about other issues and are all fixated on Israel is an absurdly false, narrow-minded, needlessly provocative and patently false notion.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:12 PM
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27. Whatever is leading in the news usually gets the most threads...
That's just how it works here.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time unlike someone else I won't mention who about fell on his ass.

Besides, we despise bush and the repukes enough that not voting for them will be very easy :evilgrin:
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