Tell me the difference between Hezbollah & Al Qaeda

[Superman Returns]

Is there any? Is Al Qaeda just as legitimate as Hezbollah? Should the U.S. have a cease-fire with Al Qaeda? Should we have not went into Afghanistan because innoncent civilians would die? Did the U.S. over react? After all, only two towers were destroyed and Al Qaeda was not the government in control of Afghanistan. Therefore, did we have a right to bomb and occupy the country? Was it illegal since Afghanistan itself did not attack us?

Is an Israeli liberal democracy more of a world threat than fundamentalist movements that defy modernity and equality? Where would you feel more comfortable living, Israel or a regime run by Hezbollah? As a woman where would you feel best to live? As a homosexual where you would you feel best to live? As a liberal that believes in seperation of church and state, where would you feel most comfortable?

What is the main difference between American Nazi & white power groups and far left liberals that both blame Israel for corrupting American foreign policy and labeling it a terrorist state?

[goddess40]

1. Difference

The latest issue of Time magazine gives the background, goals and differences of Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda. I would give you a synopsis of the article but I loaned it to a friend who asked the same question you did. It might be on line under Time magazine.

[Missy M]

2. Perhaps Superman should return to Krypton....

I resent you comparing any liberals, far left or otherwise, to Nazi's and white power groups. There are both sides to the issues in the Middle East and they must all be addressed.

[Don Claybrook]

3. ok

-Hezbollah actually exists.
-yes
-no
-n/a
-no (and it's gone, not went)
-yes
-no
-doubtful
-up for discussion
-depends on if I were destitute or wealthy
-n/a
-n/a
-Lebanon
-and finally, if you can't tell the difference between American Nazis and liberals, it's time for you to quit posting and spend some time in the library.

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[Superman Returns]

13. rebuttal

"What is the main difference between American Nazi & white power groups and far left liberals that both blame Israel for corrupting American foreign policy and labeling it a terrorist state?"

1st, I did not say all liberals or even liberals against this Israeli campaign in Lebanon are comparable to American Nazis. What I said was: Are liberals that DO support the notion that Israel controls American foreign policy and liberals that DO believe Israel is a terrorist state comparable to these organizations?

2nd, there is anti-semitism on this board. Far Right-wingers with anti-semitic feelings for religious reasons or racist reasons as well as far-right paleocons aka "traditionalists" spew the same exact rhetoric as European socialists and extreme left-wingers.

3rd, Just because I have a low post count means that I am a freeper? No, there are just people on this board that feel very uncomfortable when their comrades seem more eager to blame Israel than extremeist/fundamentalist groups that stand against everything liberalism is for.

[YOY]

19. Funny, you didn't answer the first and second question...

:eyes:

You just sort of 'skirted around them.' You posted some material that insinuates that we would magically turn into Stalinists around here (imagined progroms and all) if given the opportunity, but you never really answered the question.

and for the final goddamn time, there is no antisemitism here.

I assure you that any hatred you feel is aimed at you personally for being a pompous know-nothing-who-does-not-care-about-us-at-all-but-insists-on-posting-his-BS-here and not towards real Jewish DUers, DUers' Jewish family members, DUers' Jewish friends, DUers' Jewish co-workers, Jewish folks walking down the street, the average Israeli, or my Jewish friend Jessica's dog, who she insists is Jewish and occasionaly puts a yarmulke on.

and I never called you a FReeper...obviously you did not read my post.

[Superman Returns]

21. ...

there are DU'ers that actively state on these boards that Israel has no right to exist, Jews control the American government, and that Israel and Hezbollah are on equal footing. Also, it seems "necon" is the new code name for Jews.

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[JHB]

36. "Neocon" has NEVER been "the new code name for Jews"...

...and to bring up that "talking point" shows you're just not paying attention to what's discussed here.

It's so flatly, nakedly, and demonstrably wrong i'm not even going to bother rebutting it. YOU can try to make the case for your claim, if you really think it's true. I could use a good laugh.

[H2O Man]

48. "talking point"

Exactly.

[uppityperson]

51. How about these questions Superman?

Tell me the difference between Hezbullah and al Qaeda Is there any? Is Al Qaeda just as legitimate as Hezbollah? Should the U.S. have a cease-fire with Al Qaeda? Should we have not went into Afghanistan because innoncent civilians would die? Did the U.S. over react? After all, only two towers were destroyed and Al Qaeda was not the government in control of Afghanistan. Therefore, did we have a right to bomb and occupy the country? Was it illegal since Afghanistan itself did not attack us?

Is an Israeli liberal democracy more of a world threat than fundamentalist movements that defy modernity and equality? Where would you feel more comfortable living, Israel or a regime run by Hezbollah? As a woman where would you feel best to live? As a homosexual where you would you feel best to live? As a liberal that believes in seperation of church and state, where would you feel most comfortable?

What is the main difference between American Nazi & white power groups and far left liberals that both blame Israel for corrupting American foreign policy and labeling it a terrorist state?


You have answered NONE of these questions, even though you have been asked to do so. You gave some answers in reply#16, but did not answer any of these like you have been asked to do.

In reply #13, you say you did not say libruls=nazis, but you STILL do not answer your original questions, as you have been asked to do.

So, what are your answers to these questions?

[LostinVA]

38. Everyone needs to alert the mods when people are called

Nazis for disagreeing with this and other posters. I'm fucking SICK of these "cyber soldiers" coming into OUR HOUSE and pissing all over it for either their fun or their agenda. They have no respect, and they don't want to have any respect.

It is shameful.

[Junkdrawer]

5. So good to see a "no-holds-barred" Israel supporter...

So many of the Israel supporters on this board are far too nice....




:sarcasm:

[DistressedAmerican]

6. When you figure out the difference between liberals and nazi's,

I'll be happy to explain the rest of it to you. But, if that is how you feel about it, I doubt there is any point.

Did you HAVE to return?

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[timber84]

11. isn't posting that you are alerting also expressly banned?

guess so...

[DistressedAmerican]

41. Missed It. I guess poster #8 can't handle the truth.

:rofl:

[uppityperson]

12. getting tired of it, eh? me too.

[uppityperson]

7. Why don't you share with us first?

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[Superman Returns]

16. ok

I voted for Kerry/Edwards.
I preferred Edwards or Clark in the primaries.
I supported Afghanistan
I disagree with Iraq because it is a distraction
I belive the Iraq campaign was severely mis-managed and those responsible should be held for it.
I am pro-choice
I am pro-stem cell research
I am for taxing the rich when need be
I am against religion guiding our governmental policies
I am against most to all Bush domestic policies
I feel that corporate power needs to be checked
I am for policies that confront global warming and environmental threats
I support Israel when it is threatened.

[timber84]

18. not bad not bad

it is unfortunate that some posters here still have the low post bias, but as i'm sure you've seen it can be a bit testy here when the shit starts hitting the fan.

[YOY]

34. Oh come on!

Did you see what the guy wrote? He can claim that he stands for whatever. His little tirade that DU is some seething pit of antisemitism shows that he doesn't have a clue as to where the heck he is or what DU stands for.

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[stillcool]

10. I think of the middle-east as the wild west...

the habitants of which I liken to the American Indian. They posess with their land...what we....so-called 'modernized' nations want....and they won't fork it over. It is nothing new...it is all so very fricking old it puts any thought of the evolution of humanity into question.

[JCMach1]

44. You would be wrong most places are as advanced as the west

with a few exceptions ...



but yes, the hangover of colonialism, the creation of Israel, exploitation, and globalization are all problems

[Bluebear]

14. 13 questions in three paragraphs? Talk about overkill.

As far as comparing 'Nazi & white power groups and far left liberals'?? Ecch.

[mmonk]

15. We created Al Queda. Israel didn't create Hezbollah.

That's one. AIPAC influences American foreign policy and so does Israel and we use them for our aims and they use us for their aims. That's a fact that would be hard to deny and foolish to try and refute.

[TheFarseer]

17. Here's my answer

I wish Israel & the international community would do exactly what we did in Afghanistan. I wish they would help the Lebanese run Hezbollah out of town like we helped the Afghan resistance run the Taliban out of town.

[Don Claybrook]

20. do you really?

So you want Israel and the international community to make a giant abortion out of Lebanon? I assume you're being very literal with the "out of town" phraseology, since one town, Kabul, is what we and oilpuppet Karzai are in charge of. Most of the rest of the country is being held by resurgent Taliban militants. You must really want to see Lebanon hit pretty badly.

Or did you mean that in the sense that you're hoping Lebanon somehow has a bumper opium crop this year? Or did you happen to mean that in the "let's close our eyes while we intentionally let the bad guys get away" sort of vein? It's hard to tell from your brief post.

[TheFarseer]

30. What do you find objectionable to

disarming the radical Hezbollah militia and giving the fairly elected government of Lebanon sovereignty over their entire country? That seems like the way to stop the violence to me.

That was more or less the plan we had in Afghanistan. Help the Afghani people, most of whom hated the tyrannical religious extremists in power, to regain control of their country and run off the terrorists. There's no way I'm going to tell you it was executed well or is working to perfection but it could have if we wouldn't have done pretty much everything wrong after November of 2001.

[Don Claybrook]

31. here you go

1. you don't "give" a country sovereignty. You and GWB need to sit in on some training classes together r.e. sovereignty.

2. killing babies is not equal to disarming the radical Hezbollah militia, which brings me to

3. No matter how bad or good Hezbollah may be, they're woven into the country of Lebanon, and "taking them out" means lots and lots of slaughter--much more than we've seen. Read that as "not worth it, find a different way, negotiate, talk, do something, but quit killing children".


We had no plan in Afghanistan with the possible exception of a pipeline. We let Osama get away, apparently by design. We were never there to "help". And no, we shouldn't have invaded the country. It was a fool's errand, as the former Soviets and British would've been glad to tell us had Incurious George only asked.

[LostinVA]

39. I don't think Afghanistan is a good example

That country is seriously messed up, and the Taliban are again n charge in many areas of the country.

[Poll_Blind]

22. Are you the "Israeli Superman" from YouTube? (VIDEO)

Israeli Superman

?

PB

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

23. They both believe they are freedom fighters?

Oops. That's not a difference.

They are both fed up with America Corporate interests trying to control the ME?

Oops. That's not a difference.

Aw shit, you got me.

:sarcasm:

[SPKrazy]

25. Don't Broad Brush It

I don't get the far left people that I have respected and enjoyed their posts in the past who blame Israel

I'm a leftie liberal and I support Israel, not everything she's done, but I support her

Al Queda and Hezbollah are no different in that they are both terrorist organizations.

Hezbollah is probably more organized as a single organization whereas al Queda is really not a single organization from what I've read, but more of a, let's say, co-op for terror that tries to ally radical Islamists in their hatred of the US and Israel.

[Beelzebud]

26. Hezbollah has never attacked the U.S.

[Superman Returns]

27. ummm

Didn't they have a a hand in the death of 200+ Marines?

[Beelzebud]

28. You are right. My bad. I was wrong there 100%.

Sorry about that.

When I'm wrong I'm wrong, and that was a major brain-fart there.

[Minstrel Boy]

32. The bombing happened in 1983. Hezbollah wasn't created until 1985

The responsibility for the bombing is uncertain. Despite the fact that they were not officially an organization until Feburary 1985, many (notably the U.S. government) believe the Hezbollah militant group, backed by Iran and Syria, was responsible for the bombings, as well as the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut in April of 1983. Hezbollah, Iran and Syria, all staunch opponents of Western support for Israeli occupation of Lebanon, denied any involvement. Several Shia militant groups claimed responsibility for the attacks, and one, the Free Islamic Revolutionary Movement, identified the two suicide bombers as Abu Mazen, 26, and Abu Sijaan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

[wellst0nev0ter]

29. Here's Another Challenge

tell me how a country that puts 2 million+ people under occupation can still call itself a "liberal democracy".

[breakaleg]

33. I don't think it's anyone place to decide what type of government

another country should have.

I supported Bush going into Afghanistan. I was angry nd I wanted Al Qaeda to be dealt a blow. But I've learned some serious lessons from that debacle.

The first is, it's pretty damn arrogant for the US to assume their system of government is better than any other, that other countries want a US style government, and that a US style democracy is even feasible in some countries.

The second is you can't win a war with Al Qaeda and similar fighters that are religious zealots and more than willing to give their lives for the cause, while taking down as many civilians as they can in the process. Unless you are willing to do the same. And thankfully, the US has not reached that point quite yet.

So, my position is regardless of the legitimacy of Hezbollah, we should learn from our mistakes and treat them as a valid foe.

[LostinVA]

37. How DARE you vilify us

and try to bully us into shutting up. Comparing DU Progressives who aren't kissing Israel's ass the same as NAZIS and the KLAN?!

How fucking dare you.

Consider yourself alerted and on ignore.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[YOY]

45. I think they prefer to locking these kinds of thread rather than

banning the users. This is just from what I have witnessed.

I have my theories why.

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[YOY]

47. As did I

Nothing...crickets.

[SensibleAmerican]

49. You make a good argument against the invasion of Afghanistan

n/t

[uppityperson]

50. Superman returns: tell me the difference between Hezbullah and al Qaeda

Is there any? Is Al Qaeda just as legitimate as Hezbollah? Should the U.S. have a cease-fire with Al Qaeda? Should we have not went into Afghanistan because innoncent civilians would die? Did the U.S. over react? After all, only two towers were destroyed and Al Qaeda was not the government in control of Afghanistan. Therefore, did we have a right to bomb and occupy the country? Was it illegal since Afghanistan itself did not attack us?

Is an Israeli liberal democracy more of a world threat than fundamentalist movements that defy modernity and equality? Where would you feel more comfortable living, Israel or a regime run by Hezbollah? As a woman where would you feel best to live? As a homosexual where you would you feel best to live? As a liberal that believes in seperation of church and state, where would you feel most comfortable?

What is the main difference between American Nazi & white power groups and far left liberals that both blame Israel for corrupting American foreign policy and labeling it a terrorist state?


You have answered NONE of these questions, even though you have been asked to do so. You gave some answers in reply#16, but did not answer any of these like you have been asked to do.

In reply #13, you say you did not say libruls=nazis, but you STILL do not answer your original questions, as you have been asked to do.

So, what are your answers to these questions?

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