How can a socialist hero have a personal net worth of $900 million?

[KyuzoGator]

Anyone?

http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-05-04-castro_x.htm

[malaise]

1. That's bullspit

That money belongs to Cuba.

[KyuzoGator]

6. So he has the exact standard of living as every other Cuban?

Take your bullshit elsewhere.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Gee that is not what he said.

Is honest debate beyond you?

[KyuzoGator]

16. In a socialist economy, everyone is equal. Castro is clearly wealthy.

What's dishonest about what I said?

[Warren Stupidity]

17. The assertion was made by you that he is worth 900M

That assertion is bullshit. When challenged on it you then attempted to shift the argument entirely rather than defending your original assertion. That is a classicly dishonest rhetoricial tactic.

[KyuzoGator]

18. Who owns it, then...and how is Castro able to live so extravagantly?

Simple questions.

[BeTheChange]

2. He cant.

They are all Crooks and Liars.

Doesnt matter what their flag.

[Kire]

3. He had a 6 hour panel on Cuban TV denying it.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060731fa_fact2

[gulfcoastliberal]

4. Ask the Arafat worshippers.

He had far more money than that while he let his people rot it squalor as his French wifelived in up in their Parisian mansion.

[WhiteTara]

that money is the net worth of CUBA not

Castro.

[beyurslf]

5. Because he doesn't consider himself the owner of those things.

Forbes magazine estimates his wealth based on the country-controlled industries. Read the article.

[killbotfactory]

7. Does every US public asset count as part of Bush's fortune?

No? So why does every Cuban public asset count as part of Castro's fortune?

[KyuzoGator]

38. No, because we have legal private ownership of assets here.

We know what's mine and what's yours and what's Bush's. In Cuba, everything belongs to "the state" and by extension, Castro.

[KG]

8. wow. nice try.

:eyes:

[Minstrel Boy]

9. Jesus Christ, try another bullshit smear. n/t

[KyuzoGator]

10. He stole every penny from my grandparents. So I'll smear as I please. nt

[High Plains]

11. Do you mean the revolution expropriated their property?

Pray tell, what was it?

[KyuzoGator]

12. If that's what you want to call it. Most everyone else calls it theft. nt

[Euphen]

23. Out of curiosity, what was it your grandparents owned? n/t

[KyuzoGator]

26. Their life savings and livelihoods. nt

[Euphen]

27. What was their livelihood? nt

[KyuzoGator]

28. I detailed it a little better at this link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1794198&mesg_id=1794215

They worked hard to make a good life and had it all stolen from them.

[Minstrel Boy]

32. you say only your grandfather was a "successful entrepreneur"

That is a rather vague, if you want us to understand your family history in the context of the revolution.

[KyuzoGator]

36. Follow the thread further. nt

[Euphen]

33. I'm just trying to better understand what happened in Cuba.

My knowledge of the Cuba is admittedly lacking. What kind of entrepreneur was your grandfather? Did everyone just have their property taken from them, or was there some other reason? Did your grandparents have connections to the Batista government?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. Oh No, Are You Telling Me Some DU'ers Love Castro Too?

Please tell me he's not someone I'm supposed to consider a hero too. Shame on me if I've missed threads propping him up as such, but I'm hoping I'm not supposed to see how wonderful he is and amazing of a leader he is or something like some DU'ers want to shove down my throat with Chavez. Please say it ain't so LOL

[KyuzoGator]

19. Yeah, apparently communist dictators who rule for 50 years are okay.

This place makes my fucking head spin sometimes.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. I Hear Ya. Sheesh. I Had No Idea Some Of The Radical Opinions Included

him too. I'll just do my best to avoid the topic in the future I guess.

[tkmorris]

21. No one said that

However your initial post was just plain wrong, based upon very faulty logic. If you think somehow you are entitled to use poor logic due to an allegation of theft from your grandparents, well you are wrong about that too.

Very simple. Make a reasoned argument that backs up your claims. Nothing more, nothing less. Requesting that you meet that standard is NOT blanket support for Castro, it is just plain old critical thinking skills.

I hope your head stops spinning. That can hurt.

[KyuzoGator]

22. Okay, if Castro doesn't own the wealth, who does?

These people?

[tkmorris]

31. Actually, yeah

You can say a LOT of bad things about Castro that I would not argue with but the Cuban government under him does spend an awful lot of money and resources on its people. They provide the people of Cuba with some things that the United States does not provide for it's own citizens. Of course, it is also true some things are simply not available at all.

Cuba is not a bastion of free speech either, tis true, but it is also not quite Moscow circa 1965 like the US Govt and certain Cuban expatriates would like you to believe. The truth about Cuba, like with most issues, lies somewhere in between the two extremes.

[smirkymonkey]

25. I'm with you - it's getting ridiculous.

Some people here are like Republicans with their black and white thinking. All Communists are good, All Capitalists are bad, end of story. Refusal to see shades of gray (or even the truth) occurs at both ends of the spectrum.

A dictator is a dictator, I wouldn't classify any of them as heroes.

[Cocoa]

15. I wonder if Forbes magazine has any bias against Castro

nah.

[JVS]

30. How could you even ask such a question?

[Meshuga]

24. Ha ha ha!

Too funny! Be careful, it might be taboo to criticize this "hero".

[JVS]

29. It must be somehow related to the fact that the Pope lives in a palace...

while claiming to be the spokesman for a guy born in a barn.

[AnOhioan]

34. Bullshit premise

Next!

[Redstone]

35. Bullshit. If he had that much money, he'd have bought some decent suits.

Redstone

[ComerPerro]

37. Hes not a socialist. He uses the title

[UTUSN]

39. Shhhh!!!1 Such questions are NOT to be asked or THOUGHT!!1

BAD poster!!!1





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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247196/

Before Night Falls (2000)

Directed by
Julian Schnabel

Writing credits
Reynaldo Arenas (memoir)
Cunningham O'Keefe (screenplay) ...

Plot Summary for
Before Night Falls (2000)

Episodic look at the life of Cuban poet and novelist, Reinaldo Arenas (1943-1990), from his childhood in Oriente province to his death in New York City. He joins Castro's rebels. By 1964, he is in Havana. He meets the wealthy Pepe, an early lover; a love-hate relationship lasts for years. Openly gay behavior is a way to spite the government. His writing and homosexuality get him into trouble: he spends two years in prison, writing letters for other inmates and smuggling out a novel. He befriends Lázaro Gomes Garriles, with whom he lives stateless and in poverty in Manhattan after leaving Cuba in the Mariel boat-lift. When asked why he writes, he replies cheerfully, "Revenge."

Summary written by {[e-mail]}

Cast overview, first billed only:

Javier Bardem .... Reinaldo Arenas

Olivier Martinez .... Lázaro Gómez Carriles
Andrea Di Stefano .... Pepe Malas

Johnny Depp .... Lt. Victor


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