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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:53 PM
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How will Democrats prevent another 9/11?
Or can they? Can anyone?

Israel has put up with terrorism for years. We might have to, too.

Iraq was dumb because it was the wrong war against the wrong people. (Where the hell is bin Laden, anyway?) BushCo squandered the support of 90% of all Americans and of the world.

What now?
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:56 PM
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1. I don't know
He sure did a super blow job on this.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:06 PM
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2. I don't think armies can stop terrorism.
If they could, Israel would be peaceful and prosperous.

The only thing that has a chance of slowing it down so that attacks are small and rare is a combination of meticulous police work and international cooperation.

Part of the former is a tightening of the international banking system proposed by Clinton in 1996 and shot down by Phil Gram, a man more concerned with protecting Enron's ability to launder shareholder money than protecting us from Atta and the rest, who were using the same conduits.

Obviously the present administration finds police work sissified and international cooperation unworthy of the effort. That is the biggest tragedy of this whole thing. There will be another massive attack. This bunch is doing everything in their power to ensure it.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:11 PM
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5. Leaving?
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 07:14 PM by 90-percent
We aren't leaving those nice juicy oil fields behind EVER!

EVER!

EVER!

Or at least until you pry the oil derricks out of Dick Cheney's cold dead clammy hands!

-85% Jimmy

EDIT: Sorry, posted in wrong pleace - go see "when we will leave Iraq" Sorry.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:10 PM
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3. Neither political party is responsive to the basics,i.e. border control
the total lack of effectiveness of Homeland Security. The US is a ship at sea. Man the lifeboats.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:12 PM
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6. reduce motivation to attack us
stop business driven foreign policy that puts private profits ahead of democracy and even human life.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:29 PM
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8. The bureacracy of government has been replaced by the conglomerate
of international business...and they think that democracy is a quaint form of government. The kind you dress up in museums and send schoolkids to study with underpaid and overworked teachers. Types of governments, terrorist states, all of these are mere obstacles to overcome. The true secularists of our global planet are the multi-nationals. And their only flag of allegiance is whatever greenback will make them the most money.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:37 AM
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11. That's my only problem with libertarians...
They will never gain the social and individual liberties they want as long as corporations are in charge. Big companies jumped on the drug testing band wagon because they wanted to.

Now we invade countries and spread democracy in the name of capitalism. Nothing wrong with capitalism, but we can't police the world and no one likes bully police anyway. That's the stuff revolutions are made of.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:49 PM
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19. Libertarians can be bought and sold as easily as any other group
There is no more room for totalitarian views that clearly divest others of power while tripling the power of the elite. Neither elites or libertarians get the idea that power is limited by those who both wield it and those who benefit from it. Once a select few are the sole beneficiaries, everyone stagnates.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:11 PM
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4. If you mean real terrorism, it's not that hard...
Bush was bombarded with info about 9/11, and Clinton was able to intercept the Millenium bomber and Operation Bojinka.

The other way to prevent it is to piss less people off and fix past ways we have pissed them off. That should be easier to do, but it would mean pissing off the corporations that demand our government kill people and seize resources for them.

If you mean fake terrorism, that's a tougher problem. I'd keep an eye on Prince Bandar though.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:22 PM
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7. for one thing, Democrats LIKE smart people
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 07:32 PM by librechik
you need a lot of those to make an intelligence aqgency that actually finds and reveres facts rather than hates and hides them.

Can you imagine Richard Clarke, Mike Scheuer, Russell Tice being ignored under a Clinton administration?

No, Clinton knew the value of experts; so do the Dems. That is one of the STRENGTHS the Pukkkes attack us on, mocking us for being eggheads. Democrats would have received the Aug 6 PDB with the alarm it deserved, and alerted the FAA, Norad, NYC, and the WTC. Moussaui waqs in custody with FBI agents begging for attention on his case, but as usual with the neocons, Truth is Inconvenient.

But that is in an ideal world. In the real world, since Fancypants and Gang planned and carried out the 9/11 crime, the mere fact of their absence would assure that another attack wouldn't happen, IMO. If it did, the Dems would be smart enough to send secretive, well-trained police specialists and use diplomacy (after all, the legend goes Sudan "offered" Bin Laden to Clinton. That was diplomacy. Diplomacy and intelligence partners us with the good guys in other countries and gets us help to stalk and capture the terrorists, instead of enemies who want to kill us. Democrats know that method works, we've done it many times and (until 2000) gotten better at it. Dragging a big noisy army around the world is expensive, bloody and DOESN'T WORK on terrorists.

Democrats know this from painful experience (Johnson) and they are SMART enough to not repeat.

The Pukkkes like war, cuz they are good at destroying things (up to a point) but they make the same mistakes over and over and over. And strangely, everytime they do Republicans get rich.Gee, I wonder why they keep making the same mistakes over and over. Yes, they are stupid. But not too stupid to forget to pick up the moneybag.

Democrats like to get rich too, but not to the detriment of our country and it's institutions, they like government and the Constitution. Today's Republican scumbags don't give a flying fig about the country, as long as they win and win big. And they want to destroy the Constitution while pretending to "save" it. Hmm, just like social security!
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:19 PM
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9. You pretty well got it.
Diplomacy and cunning, with a little intelligent hits now and then. And NEVER let the bin Ladens off the hook.

I'd also suggest inventing an oil alternative. The country that invents that first will be the next superpower.
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PFunk Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:30 PM
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10. Do a dractic chance of our ENTIRE ME foreign policy.
Relying alot more of Diplomacy and aid, and alot less on military force (since it'a obivouly not working). And work on the base reasons on why they this intense hatred towards the west. Unless that happens no matter of protection and baracades will prevent another 911 from happening (an thanks to the current situation it's now much more likey I fear).

This may force us to do things that many say are unthinkable-Like not only being a fair broker. But willing to put some serious pressure on isreal-like withholding cash for it's military. And insituting some martial plan for the area (it worked for europe).
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:45 AM
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13. AIPAC will sadly prevent that nt
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 01:45 AM by JackNewtown
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:46 AM
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12. Same way they would have prevented the first one. By paying attention
and actually doing their jobs
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JackNewtown Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:47 AM
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14. They will do so by increasing hatred of America
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 01:55 AM by JackNewtown
The Dems will continue policies, aside from Iraq, that fuel anti-US terrorist recruitment via increasing hatred of the US around the world, particularly in the Muslim world. Sponsoring Israeli colonialism of Palestine is the chief source of intense hatred of the US in the Muslim world; whoever is president in 2009 will continue that sponsorship while Congress will unquestionably support it at rates rivaling the Soviet Politboro's lack of dissent.

Look at what the Dems--and the Reps--are backing right now like blind sheep. Do you think we can reduce terror as long as we continue to do things like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xlImx9akIM&search=Lenanon ?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:48 AM
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15. Evidently they could still step in and find out what happen on 911.
Evidently the commission still hasn't finished the report and the lies are so obvious from NORAD, the FAA and Rummy that they even mention it, now. Funny timing on their parts IMO.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 04:51 AM
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16. Do the opposite of Bush. After all, 9-11 did happen on his watch!!
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:43 PM
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17. But do the Dems present a clear message?
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 12:59 PM by madmusic
The debate over Lebanon indicates splits within the Party, though most Dems appear to support Israel.

If gang members kidnapped two cops in L.A., and if the cops went in shooting and killed hundreds of innocent neighbors, the public would be outraged and turn against police in general. On the other hand, we would expect the police to do SOMETHING.

Can we expect anything less of Israel the Arabs? This kind of reaction plays right into the extremist jihad goals.

On the other hand, 9/11 happened. Israel suffers more terrorism than we can know, but the jihadists win every time there are civilian tragedies that turn Arabs against Israel and the West.

But how else to fight this war? Have the Dems laid out a clear and convincing solution that shadows BushCo?

The ONLY solution I can see, and one the Dems should push with all they've got, is to find a non-polluting substitute for oil. All the money we put into Iraq may have been enough to research and invent it. It would accomplish:

1. Dramatically cutting the income of the ME and their funds for war.
2. Cut our dependence on them.
3. Fix global warming, a hot topic right now.

I would suggest a foreign/war policy that tries to keep the peace enough to give us time find an alternative energy solution. In that scenario, we would not have to win an all out war, but would only have to prevent them from winning while we do the research edit: and development.

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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 02:50 PM
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18. Do you recommend the republicans stay in power?
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