Mel should pay me. I called this at the get go....

[Neshanic]

"Gibson said he's "in the process of understanding where those vicious words came from during that drunken display" and hopes members of the Jewish community, "whom I have personally offended," will help him in his recovery efforts."

God what a fucking creep.

[beyurslf]

1. They came from his nasty dark mind.

When we were younger and partied and drank alot (Don't most people stop that sometime before 25?), we always said that what you rambled about when you were drunk was the truth. You didn't have the ability to lie so you let out what you really thought.

Guess we know where he stands.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Yeah, now when they tell Gibson to fuck off...

he's going to say, "see? I was right all along."

[sandnsea]

3. Alcohol is not a truth serum

Somewhere some poor guy is in treatment and trying to explain to his wife that he said all that shitty stuff to provoke a fight with her so he could blame his drunkeness on her. People who have no idea what the hell they're talking about are only adding to the difficulties of people who are trying to get clean. Alcohol is not a truth serum. There are as many reasons for someone drunk to say shit they don't mean as there is for someone who is depressed or angry or jealous or any other thing.

[soothsayer]

11. Oh, yeah, you can tell he LOVES the Jews, just like his daddy.

He wasn't blurting out weird stuff that was on his mind when confronting a (jewish, amazingly enuff!) authority figure.

[sandnsea]

15. Did I say anything about Mel?? NO

I was correcting the idiotic comments about alcohol, drunkeness and alcoholism that have been tossed around by the amateur psychiatry contingent.

[cynatnite]

16. It is a depressant...

It loosens inhibitions. I think he believes every word he said.

[sandnsea]

17. So depressants are truth serums??

Since when?

Like I said above, that isn't a post about Mel Gibson. It's a post about the complete and total falsehood that what people say when they're drunk is automatically true. Every alcoholic that ever existed knows that's not true, as well as their friends and family members. It's a catchy little sound bite pulled right out of thin air and absolutely nothing more.

[cynatnite]

19. Alcohol is a depressent and loosens inhibitions

Check it for yourself. It's a plain fact.

Truth serums...aka sodium pentothal is considered a barbituate.

Either way both have the potential of loosening inhibition.

Alcohol does loosen inhibitions and to deny that it doesn't is a complete falsehood. As with any drug, it does affect people differently. Some people are less inhibited but still retain control of their faculties. Others spit out whatever pops into their head.

If you don't think any of these facts are true, do some research.

[sandnsea]

21. Which does not equate to automatic truth telling

'Loosens inhibitions', wherein people will say all sorts of things for whatever purpose is floating around in their head whether it's truth or not. It's just ridiculous to say that people mean what they say when they're drunk any more than they do when they're mad or jealous or playing some manipulative game only known to themselves. Do some research yourself, it's just not true that alcohol makes people speak the truth.

[cynatnite]

22. I never said that alcohol automatically equals truth telling...

You keep reading that somewhere in my posts, but I have no idea where.

The facts are this: Whether it's alcohol or sodium pentothal, they do loosen inhibitions.

It all depends on the person taking the drug. Everyone reacts differently. Some will say whatever pops in their head whether they mean it or not. Some will retain complete control of all their faculties.

Oh, and I did do the research plus I worked in the ER long enough to have witnessed about any kind of reaction there is to a variety of drugs. Some get violent, some cry, some are complete jerks, etc.

I'm in the camp that thinks that Mel Gibson said what he believes under the influence of alcohol. That's the only point that is debatable in this discussion.

[sandnsea]

24. Believe whatever you want about Mel Gibson

But basing your belief on alcohol consumption is about as valid as basing it on green beans. Loosened inhibitions does not mean a person is more inclined to tell the truth, it only means the normal brakes on crazy behavior are gone. Crazy behavior is unique to each individual and based on their own morals, saying crazy shit to get somebody's goat is just as likely as saying crazy shit because you believe it. Regardless, the post you chose to respond to was referencing the fact that alcohol is not a "truth serum" the way people are reporting it to be. It had nothing to do with what Mel Gibson believes at all. So the only debatable thing as far as I'm concerned is whether it can be concluded that someone has told the truth because they're under the influence.

[cynatnite]

26. Oh for christs sake

:eyes:

Can you even comprehend what you read?

I never said loosened inhibitions means a person is more inclined to tell the truth.

I said that drugs affect everyone differently. A person may say whatever pops in their head, be in complete control or say things they really believe that they would otherwise never say sober. Hell, my grandfather was an alcoholic. If he got any in his system, he was violent. People never react quite the same as another person when it comes to drugs like this.

We agree on this, but you choose to read something else. I have no idea what. I mentioned Mel Gibson only to give my personal opinion on the shit he spewed. You don't have to agree with it at all.

:eyes:

[sandnsea]

29. Here's what you wrote

"It loosens inhibitions. I think he believes every word he said."

You wrote it in response to my post that alcohol consumption doesn't make anybody any more inclined to tell the truth. Now you want to say that you wrote that in agreement with my post. Well okay, if you say so.

If you were agreeing with me, you could have said that a while ago.

[LostinVA]

28. You got it n/t

[rucky]

4. I hear there's a great rehab center in Haifa.

Maybe we can send him there?

:shrug:

[Cronus Protagonist]

7. Sure, no problem. Send him to the Simon Wiesenthal Center

Holocaust Museum. Have him donate thousands to the museum and he'll get a pat on the back. No wait, that was ARNOLD, for saying he admired Hitler.

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/actors/arnold-schwarzenegger/

Perhaps Mel can get his absolution for a few extra bucks....

http://www.wiesenthal.com

:wtf:

[asthmaticeog]

5. I'm sure members of the Jewish community WILL help him with his addiction.

His shrink, his physician, his agent, his publicist...

[SammyBlue]

14. Don't forget his Jewish Lawyer who will threaten to sue

anyone who calls this fuck a bigot in public for defamation of character.

And his Jewish accountants to help him deduct all the expenses of his "therapy" and "rehab" as "research" for a "future un-named film."

Fuck Mel Gibson!

[panader0]

6. What I don't get is: why do these filthy rich actors and athletes

not have a driver? Gee..... I've had one DUI in my life, and I will never drive drunk again. These people can afford a driver, an entourage, whatever they want. Why drive drunk? Besides, he's an ass.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. No shit

I got one several years ago too. I was an idiot, admittedly, but at least I have the somewhat mitigating excuse that I decided to drive because the bar was closed, cabs are few and far between in my town, I didn't have cab fare anyway, and there were some shady guys hanging around the parking lot.

And I'll never do it again.

[Mabus]

8. Is he a US citizen or is he still an Aussie?

Can we deport him? :evilgrin:

[Scout]

9. he was born and raised in New York, until he was about 11

then dad moved them to Australia to keep his kids out of the draft (very short version of the story).

[Mabus]

10. damn! -eom

[WinkyDink]

12. From being raised at Daddy's knee, I'd wager.

[SammyBlue]

13. Where they came from?

They came from his black heart and gutter mind, the asshole!

Jesus, I want to punch the fucking asshole so hard.

And Bill Donahue from the Catholic League WAS DEFENDING HIM!!! I thought the Catholic Church and Catholics got over their anti-Semetism! I GUESS NOT!!!

[WernhamHogg]

18. Well

I'm a former Catholic, but considering a lot of my family and friends are Catholics, I have to add that Bill Donahue is a loud mouthed, obnoxious, attention seeking, right wing asshole who doesn't speak for most Catholics (except perhaps Mel Gibson).

[Behind the Aegis]

23. From Voter X...

Vos bei a nichteren oyfen lung, iz bei a shikkeren oytfen tsung!

"What a sober man has on his mind, a drunkard has on his tongue." (Yiddish version)

The Flemish version: "What a man says drunk he has thought sober."

[bliss_eternal]

27. Well said...

:hi:

[alittlelark]

25. They are 'green party jews'

They will do what it takes to 'save him' from himself.

:puke:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

30. Another hypocrite from the right....

n/t