say what you want about Lou Dobbs-his reporting is straight off of DU

[w8liftinglady]

-war in Iraq
Worn out equipment

[goclark]

1. And Lou reads the TRUTH here about the ELECTION FRAUD nt

[napi21]

2. Did ya just hear him report of not enough soldiers in some

base in TX to be able to hand out amunition?

GEESH!!!

[RadiDem]

3. Oh Yeah? He's just about to go on an anti-immigration rant

To be followed by an Anti UN rant.


he's loopy

[xultar]

6. He's not anti-immigration...he's anti-illegal immigration...and I think

we should all be concerned about that.

Now...anti-un I don't agree with.

[RadiDem]

7. I disagree>

"On the May 23 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, host Lou Dobbs claimed that a Senate immigration bill, which includes numerous provisions targeting illegal immigration, does "absolutely nothing for border security." Later, during the same broadcast, CNN correspondent Casey Wian characterized Mexican President Vicente Fox's trip to Salt Lake City, Utah, as a "Mexican military incursion," and claimed that "you could call" Fox's trip to the United States "the Vicente Fox Aztlan tour" -- drawing a baseless link between Fox and the reconquista movement, which maintains that portions of the American Southwest (territory referred to by supporters of the theory as "Aztlan") belong to Mexico. During Wian's report, CNN featured a graphic of "Aztlan" that was sourced to the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) -- an organization linked to white supremacists."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200605240011

[Marie26]

38. If the end of the world comes,

Dobb's show topics will be: The Apocalypse and Broken Borders.

[xultar]

4. OK Lou...then what about this Neocon agenda. How about reporting

on that shit.

It makes the borders and the outsourcing of our infrastructure look like romper room.

PNAC!

[laura888]

48. Exactly! n/t

[unlawflcombatnt]

51. Outsourcing IS NeoCon Agenda

The "NeoCon Agenda" is about 99% of what Dobbs reports on.

He bashes Bush daily, especially about his free trade policies and his advocacy of amnesty for illegal aliens and guest workers. Lou criticizes Bush's reverse Robin Hood tax cuts. He was a big critic of the Republican-sponsored Bankruptcy Bill. He's been a big critic of Bush's wiretapping and spying policies. He's been a big critic of the Republican "pro-torture" advocates. He's railed against Corporate giveaways and the Oil Companies. He reported on Bush's bone-headed plans to Corporatize Social Security.

Just what part of the "NeoCon Agenda" is he not criticizing?

unlawflcombatnt

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. He's like a broken clock running backwards.

By pure coincidence he's right 24 times per day.

Wait a minute...

:silly:

[WhiteTara]

8. then he needs to beat the impeachment drum

that rather than illegal immigration

[napi21]

9. It absolutely amazes me how there a few folks on DU that think

Dobbs never says or does ANYTHING right!

He must have repeated "I;m against ILLEGAL immigration" at least 1,000 times, but I guess you either don't believe that, or don't listen.

He's the ONLY host actually TALKING about the fraudulent evoting, but you're not happy with that, because he didn't talk about PNAC!

He's constantly talking about judges not following the law, and must have said "What are these people THINKING" another 1,000 times, but nothing can please you folks.

Pretty sad in my opinion.

[unlawflcombatnt]

15. Hooray for Lou Dobbs!

Lou Dobbs is outstanding. He's the only media commentator who consistently stands up for the working man, the middle class, and all the factors that are driving median real wages downward. Outsourcing and illegal immigration
are the main factors driving American wages down, and pushing our country toward an economic collapse.

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[ComerPerro]

19. Lou Dobbs is not your friend. He is a Republican first.

[napi21]

20. Maybe he is, but he's sure not today's version of a Pug!

I don't CARE what party broadcasts the evoting fraud, or the selling of our ports to Dubai, or sending all our mfg. jobs out of the US. Hell, he could be a dman Comunist, or a skin head! I want as much exposure of that info as possible, and Lou is the ONLY ONE talking about that stuff right now!

[ComerPerro]

29. Even old-school, "true Conservative" Republicans

would shut down all social programs, make Christianity the official religion, ban abortion, fight women's rights, crush unions, provide corporate welfare, and pillage the nation to give money to the rich.

Its all in their core values.

[unlawflcombatnt]

52. No, he's the people's voice 1st, and a Republican 2nd

He's an advocate for American workers and the middle class 1st.

His "Republicanism" finishes a very distant 2nd.

[progressivebydesign]

10. Ed Schultz interviewed him the other day... I like Lou.

I found it to be really heartening. I don't expect everyone like Lou Dobbs to agree with everything I believe, but I do respect the guy for fighting for the middle class. He didn't sound like any rightwinger on the radio with Ed the other day.

[madokie]

11. and I don't want someone to agree with me all the time

most times I am wrong anyway. I like Dobbs, I like that he appears to still remember when things were much better and where we have come from.

[joemurphy]

12. Lou's on "Amnesty" again....What's Lou's idea for

11 Million illegals here? Ship them all back to Mexico? And what about their U.S. citizen spouses and kids? Do they go on welfare?

Listening to morons like Tom Tancredo get a forum on Lou's show is nauseating.
His "polls" are weighted and silly. His sidekicks are no more than sycophants always fawning over Lou's conclusions. His mock "outrage" is also pure theater full of code-words and false indignation.

In sum, Lou's a jerk. He likes getting big ratings kicking the poorest and most powerless people in this country, stirring up hatred of Latinos guilty of nothing more than wanting a decent life and having a bit of ambition.

If you like Dobbs so much, you can have him as your "middle class champion".

But not me. To me, he's a just a necktied, pompous, ratings hungry, hate-monger.

[Berserker]

16. You forgot to add Dobbs

is Patriotic, Truthful and really does care about the working man and this country. These are things that make Dobbs tick. Don't forget when ILLEGAL workers go to work in this country they are taking jobs from American workers wanting a decent life. And don't hand me that vegetable picking bullshit rant.

[joemurphy]

21. And don't hand me that "they're taking jobs shit either".

And your "Lou cares" theme and his "truth-telling" is laughable. He scrounges up the most simplistic arguments, fobs them off as deep insights, and gets people like you all lathered up about poor Latinos scrabbling around doing shit work in fast-food joints, hotels, and as construction laborers. Meanwhile he cheers on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, says nothing about Bush running up a mindblowing deficit, wrecking our army, and $3.25/gallon gas. And don't feed me his false indignation about "ILLEGAL" workers as deep concern for the middle class when Lou says diddlysquat about Bush's fat-cat tax policies that have squashed our middle class flat, ruined the country's finances, and caused us to go into hock for the foreseeable future to Communist China. Where's sweet Lou been on the minimum wage? Affordable health care? Investment in education and infrastructure?

Lou's a one-trick pony. It's all-immigration, all the time with sweet Lou. And don't hand me that "Lou's our hero" bullshit rant. As I said, if you like him, go put a flag on your lapel,recite the pledge of allegiance, and watch him till your eyes fall out. He'll never be a hero of mine.

[unlawflcombatnt]

47. Illegal immigrants DO take American jobs and suppress wages

Illegal immigrants do take American jobs and they do depress American wages. They are currently taking 7 million of our 143 million jobs, and they are suppressing
average American wages $1700/year.

And, yes, that does make it harder for Americans to feed their own families.

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[napi21]

17. Yep he's against amnesty, and so am I!

I suggested, years ago, that the US simply enforce the laws we alreayd have, meaning it is ILLEGAL for any employer to hire anyone who doesn't have a green card, an HB visa, or is a citizen of the US. I worked personnal for a while when the Co I was working for was hunting a new HR MGR. As a Co. we ALWAYS demanded to see an original SS card, green card or worker documents before we hired ANYONE.

That law has existed since the 80's.

Now Lou has adopted that same position. "Enforce the laws, and punish the offending employers!! NOT THE EMPOLYEES, the EMPLOYERS WHO ARE BREAKING THE LAW!

I firmly believe if there were no job opportunities, there would be no illegal immigrants!

I'm sorry you seem to have a problem with that.

[joemurphy]

23. Right, enforce the laws! Fine the employers! Ship 'em all back!

Now tell me how you're going to do it, oh pragmatic one.

[napi21]

25. No, you jumped to a false conclusion.

If there are no jobs, people will leave on their own!

think a little logically here. If there is NO attraction, would you STAY?

I never said anything aobut shipping anyone or anything anywhere!

I'm saying eliminate the attraction, and no one will bother to come here!

[joemurphy]

26. Right, and what about their wives and kids? And how many

people do we fine or jail for doing no more than giving an illegal a chance to feed himself or his family? Do you by any chance know any illegals?
Do you know how they live? Do you know what they have to go through to survive here?

Do you think you can genuinely stop all employers from hiring them? Do you know what kind of employers do the hiring? What impact it would have on our economy if they all left en masse?

My point is that "enforce the laws" is simplistic. It also won't work when you have 11,000,000 people here. If you want a solution, it's improve the lot of the worker in Mexico. We're doing zip to do that, however.

And if you think what has been proposed for illegals is an "Amnesty" you've been smoking the same weed Lou's been smoking. I don't call an 11 year wait to citizenship an "Amnesty". Maybe you do.

[napi21]

28. It's not OUR business to fix the Mexican Gov't!

That is the task of the leaders of Mexico. Don't try to make it MY problem!!!

What kind of employers hire illegals? The ones who are too cheep and too greedy to obey the law!

DO I personally know any illegals...NO, I don't, however I know where I can introduce you to a lot of them.

I live in North Ga. "Chicken Capital of the World". There are 5 chicken plants about 15 miles from my house. I shouldn't have to say any more about that situation.

My husband is a meat cutter in a large SE supermarket. ALL the slaughter houses and packing houses in the US are gross offenderd of illegal hireing.

And finally, take a tour of the housing developments being built around you. It doesn't matter where you live, because it happens everywhere. Most, if not all of the laborers are illegals.

If that's not sufficient for you, I can take you to several spots in Gainesville Ga, and San Antonio Tx where the illegals congregate, early in the morning, waiting for a truck to pull up and hire them for the day.

Yes, I do know how they live too. Near the chicken plants, there's a hmmmm, trailer park (or field with trailers in it) where many old, rusty and falling apart trailers house maybe 20+ people each. They work shifts at the chicken plant, and when the beds empty, it belongs to the guy who's not working at that time.

ES, I do know all of it.

[joemurphy]

31. Knowing all that, how do you feel about social justice? n/t

[napi21]

32. What do you mean by "social justice"? n/t

[joemurphy]

33. Do you think it's a good thing that the Latinos you described

have to live that way?

[napi21]

34. Of course not! No one should have to live that way.

But the US CONNOT be the parent or savior to EVERYONE! We don't have the money, and we simply don't have the capability.

That's why I said it's not our problem that the leaders in Mexico are not taking care of their people! THAT'S who should be making the changes necessary for THEIR people to have a decent life. Vincente Fox & Shrub really pi** me off when I hear this cooperation stuff.

You know, I had a discussion on another thread about just how bad is Castro in Cuba. From all the responses I received, it appears he is a strong dictator, and he keeps his people almost at a slave level. HOWEVER, everyone agrees, there are NO starving people in Cuba, they all get free health care, they all have jobs, and they all have clothes. He just will never permit them to get a better life, or a better job.

Everyone screams about how bad Castro is, but few say much about Fox, and at least Castro is taking care of the necessities of his people, huh?

Don't you see? I don't wish anyone any harm, but we have to be realistic. We just can't afford to support all the World's poor. Letting employers abuse them ILLEGALLY is just playing the emabler to crooks! Not the employees, but the Employer crooks!

It's not right, no matter which way you look at it.

[joemurphy]

39. OK, I like you better than I did a few posts back.

I think you're basically a good person. You have some sympathy for the people you described. I apologize for being snotty and condescending to you.

I think we have an honest disagreement about what doing the right thing is.
I think that by denying the people you described any shot at a normal American life, they'll be living the way you said indefinitely.

Unlike you, I know a lot of illegals. I play soccer with them, go to their kids' baptisms and birthday parties, try to help them get insurance, with traffic tickets, when they are cheated by some employers (I'm a lawyer).
I've found them basically decent, hard-working people -- probably like you and me. I want something better for them than "enforce the laws". I root for them, watch them struggle, have kids, try to buy houses, try to get driving licenses, try to better themselves and their families situations.
I like them. I want the best for them. I think most would be good citizens.
I'd like them to have a chance to make it.

So when Lou starts with "Enforce the laws" and "they're sponging off us regular Americans" and "they're wrecking the middle class", I get very angry.
Lou's plainly never held one of their kids at a baptism or eaten their barbacoa at a party. I don't think he's being particularly human or incisive when he repeatedly runs films of the relatively few of them that are criminals, gang members, or neer-do-wells. Not once have I ever seen a report from Dobbs on the average illegal. That's another reason I've come to despise him.

[unlawflcombatnt]

46. Yes, fine or imprison ALL employers who hire illegal immigrants

"do we fine or jail for doing no more than giving an illegal a chance to feed himself or his family?"

Yes, we fine or jail all employers for hiring illegal aliens, because hiring illegal immigrants makes it harder for Americans to feed themselves and their own families.

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[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. & Israel raiding and shooting up a Lebanese hospital.

I hate his approach on somethings, but he is a hell of a lot better than everything else.
Keith O
PBS News Hour
and Lou.

[knowbody0]

14. he also said today:

* was answering the call of his corporate puppet masters regarding immigration.

i like lou but can't say i love him yet

[ComerPerro]

18. He is a Republican apologist. He will blame Dems 9 times out of 10

and, for those 1 of ten times, he still won't blame Republicans. He just blames "politicians".

[napi21]

22. Hmmm, do you actually listen to him often?

It sure doesn't sound like it!

[ComerPerro]

30. I do. And I've never heard him attack Republican policies or blame

the GOP nearly as much as he blames Dems (a party with a complete minority in DC)

[napi21]

35. I agree with that, but I also have to tell ya, when Lou asks "Where

is the opposition on this issue?" I have no come back for him. I honestly wonder that myself!

It's not Lou's fault that all of our Dems seem to still think the only way to play the game of politics is "fairly". I fault the Dems for THAT too!

[ComerPerro]

36. Yeah, but Lou seems to forget that the opposition can't do a damn thing

when they don't have a majority in any body.

[napi21]

37. But they sure COULD make a lot of noise!

Be honest. If the Pugs were the minority and a Dem Prez had done 1/4 of the things Shrub has done, do you honestly believe anyone, including we Dems would be saying "where's the opposition on this?"

Tha's MY big gripe with our currnet Dems. For some reason, they don't even try to grab a spotlight. NONE of them have had the Ba**s to call Shrub or any of the others in this admin "A LIER!"

[ComerPerro]

43. And they had the media on their side, they were able to get their message

out.

I don't see Dobbs inviting the opposition on his show to tell him where we are.

[napi21]

45. Yes he has had Dems on, and every time, they hem and haw

when asked a direct question. NONE will say this admin lies, or just flat out be open and honest! WAY TOO MUCH Politically Correct BS!

The only one I've seen or heard be close to honest is Howard Dean, and when he does, everyone faults him!!!!

[unlawflcombatnt]

49. Clearly you DON'T watch Dobbs often

He bashes Bush daily, especially about his free trade policies and his advocacy of amnesty for illegal aliens and guest workers. He was a big critic of the Republican-sponsored Bankruptcy Bill. He's been a big critic of Bush's wiretapping and spying policies. He's been a big critic of the Republican "pro-torture" advocates. He's railed against Corporate giveaways and the Oil Companies. In fact, 99% of his attacks are on Republican policy, not Democrats.

You should really try watching Dobbs, instead of reading the DU commentary about him. To anyone who actually watch Dobbs, your comments seem ridiculous.

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[magellan]

24. Dobbs is okay by me

He's clearly not a liberal -- I think he's actually a Libertarian -- so I don't agree with him on everything, but no matter. If there's one thing ALL political persuasions in this country should agree on it's the desire to uphold the law and the Constitution and care for the welfare of this nation. And when he speaks of these things and how they've been undermined by BushCo, he kicks ass.

[QuestionAll...]

27. Lou had Gillerman on today (the Israeli Assador )

I'll have to find a transcript of this exchange as I thought Lou handled it very well.

You could tell he was not satisfied with Gillerman's rote (if arabs loved their children more than hate Israel, Palestinians were offered such wonderful deals but refused... etc.).
Lou came out with: (paraphrasing). Well okay, let's assume that the Palestinians are all stupid and Israel is the greatest guys - why can't a reasonable solution to this ongoing nonsense be reached?

At the end of the interview, where Lou usually has a pleasant and smiling parting with guests that he has wrastled and shouted with, he was pretty deadpan and the look on his face, to me, was:

You convinced me of piss all, gillerman.

[w8liftinglady]

40. Don't forget,Lou is very against exporting jobs and offshore accounts

he isn't a democrat,but he's no neocon,and speaks with more clarity and consistency than our supposed spokespeople.

[MzNov]

41. Lou Dobbs trashes BushCo so often that it matters

a great deal he's turning some RWers around. He's still a Republican but people listen to everything he says. And it's not good for Bush and followers. We'll take it, right?

Today he trashed Bush and his policies (especially illegal immigration, surprise surprise) but also said Bush obeys his "cororate masters." Average Joe and Judy republican need to hear it. 'Cause they don't get it.

:dem:

[w8liftinglady]

42. I agree..and those moderate republicans are crucial for democrat victories

in november.

[MzNov]

44. without a doubt he is helping us!

and there are more conservatives coming over too. It's just wonderful. And about time!!!

:bounce:

Nedrenaline!

I donated to Ned today. It wasn't much but it's getting down to the wire now. I am so excited about his upcoming win.

[Crewleader]

50. Lou Dobbs is a voice for the MiddleClass...

He says it like it is and he has my respect and admiration! :-)