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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:03 PM
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I have one question re Mel Gibson...
and let me be very clear that I do not condone his comments. At all. I am posing the following question because I really wonder about this. Do you think there would be equal outrage if other religious or social groups had been slurred? I can't help but wonder.

Imagine for a moment he had said:

"Fucking Arabs... The Arabs are responsible for all the wars in the world." (or Muslims)
or
"Fucking Africans... The Africans are responsible for all the wars in the world."
or
"Fucking Chinese"..."Fucking gays"... "Fucking immigrants"..."Fucking Democrats (or Republicans for that matter)".

Would such comments garner equal outrage (and I am not sure that they would), and if not, then why not?

There is no question that the Jewish people have suffered enormously in their past. Still...

Anyone wish to tackle this question? Or have we all become too afraid of appearing anti-Semitic to even discuss this?


(Maybe someone has already asked this question, sorry if it's a repeat.)
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adriennui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:06 PM
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1. they would all provoke outrage
you're over-analyzing the situation. however, if he made an anti-christian comment it wouldn't get any coverage.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:38 PM
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6. funny. i'm usually good at spotting sarcasm. your post isn't. is it.
i mean it is. but it's apparently not intended to be.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:08 PM
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The media needed something to change the news. They choose that.
It took them two days to talk about anti-semitic remarks, but they started talking about that when the news from Kana came.

Nothing to do with the fact that he talked about Jews. A lot to do with the fact that they needed to change the news. It would have been the same thing if he had said African Americans, btw, or Hispanics. They needed a change.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:01 PM
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9. That's interesting
except that I don't watch the MSM anymore very often. I get my news from alternative sources. So I was actually referring to the general explosion of comments that this incident has created in the blogosphere.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:08 PM
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2. i'm still baffled that the dui is no big deal, but the bigotry is.
speaking as a jew, i'm far more bothered by the fact that this jerk was out speeding and driving drunk than the fact that he said some bad things when he got busted.

in a sane world, he'd be apologizing for driving drunk, not for saying anti-semitic remarks.

in a sane world, his career would be in jeopardy because he endangered innocent travellers, rather than because he said some stupid things.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:05 PM
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10. I totally agree
that the more egregious behavior was the drunk driving. But, I am asking more about the RESPONSE that people have had to this incident.

Also, who said we live in a sane world?;-)
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:10 PM
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3. It would, if anything because the media needed something to change
the news and they did not have a blond young girl who disappeared.

This has nothing to do with who he attacked. It has a lot to do with the need to change the news.
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:11 PM
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4. I can guarantee you..
That if he said the same things about blacks or gays, using slurs regarding those two groups, yes then the outrage would be the same. The problem with "jew" is that it can be used as a slur depending on the context.

Example: My father is a jew. vs You f*cking jew bastard, dirty jew, hook nosed jew etc.

Arabs and Chinese? Two minorities with small populations with relatively little hatred directed towards them in American and world history. Also, those two groups have seperate racial slurs to refer to them that I won't repeat.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:14 PM
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5. Yes. He Was On Drugs. Celebrity Involvement. ... War Coverage
going into the crapper.

Yes, is the short answer.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:39 PM
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7. Perhaps the jewish thing is
prominent because of what is going on right now....the timing couldn't be worse! But although I don't support any drunk's behavior, I still like Mel, and find it hard to believe he is that prejudiced...think about it...he works in Hollywood with all kinds of folx .I find it hard to believe he would ever have gotten so far being prejudiced, or.... maybe he was good at keeping his mouth shut.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:48 PM
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8. I'll tackle this one
I think there's a hint of anti-Semitism in your question, which seems to suggest that the story has gotten greater coverage, and that the flames of outrage have been fanned, by the actions of somebody or some group. As if there has been some sort of conspiracy to ensure that Mel Gibson gets punished, and that the conspiracy would not exist if his comments had been directed at another racial/religious group.

(sarcasm on) Clearly, the Jewish controlled media is responsible for Mel's conviction in the eyes of the public. (sarcasm off)
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:08 PM
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11. I was wondering how long it would take
for someone to say this:
"I think there's a hint of anti-Semitism in your question."
I'm sorry you see it that way. People who know me know my past and know that is a ridiculous statement to make about me.

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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:25 PM
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12. Then please address the facts of my post
Were you, or were you not implying that the Jewish media was blowing this whole thing out of proportion?
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:51 PM
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13. Sorry, I did not realize you were posing that question
from your previous post. To answer you, I refer you to post #9 where I explain that I rarely get my news from the MSM. Quite frankly, I'm not sure what you mean by the "Jewish media" or any conspiracy theory.

I have only noticed the growing number of posts on numerous blog sites regarding Gibson's anti-Semitic remarks. Finally, today, at www.huffingtonpost.com EVERY headline post was regarding this subject. I found it astonishing that the racial ramblings of a drunken man would cause sooo much uproar. Especially considering everything else that is going on in the world right now. Is it because it's Mel Gibson? Or because of the recent political events? Would it be THIS intense if he had slurred any other group?

Personally, I agree with unblock in post #2 that the fact that he was driving inebriated is much more disturbing -- that could have actually killed somebody. Perhaps I should have been more clear with my first post. I was feeling rushed because I needed to get someplace. Hopelfully, I have been more clear this time.
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