Christian Newswire: Abortion is of *NO* help to rape victims

[Bluebear]

Evidently it is far more therapeutic to be forced to bear the child of a stranger who raped you. EVERY study says so. :crazy:

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Contact: Jerry Horn, Priests for Life, 540-220-0095

WASHINGTON, August 1 /Christian Newswire/ -- Father Frank Pavone, national director of Priests for Life, commented on the newly released Mason-Dixon poll regarding South Dakota's abortion ban.

"It is not surprising that many voters feel the law should allow a rape and incest exception. That's because they think abortion helps a sexual assault victim. Every study done on this topic actually shows that sexual assault is a contraindication for abortion, because the abortion reinforces the experience of trauma that the sexual assault created. We all want to help the victims of rape and incest -– and abortion provides no such help at all."

For information, see the book Victims and Victors (Reardon, Sobie, eds.) and http://www.priestsforlife.org.

http://www.earnedmedia.org/PFL0801.htm

[Avalux]

1. Where do they come up with this idiotic bullshit?

Has Father Frank Pavone ever been forced to bear a child conceived of rape or incest? This type of stuff makes me so damn angry. x(

[Warpy]

28. I have no idea

unless it's from a drippy, sentimental view that each woman will automatically love a child she has been forced to bear.

How these morons think it's therapeutic to risk your life on a pregancy you do not want after being traumatized by rape is beyond me.

They are all men, obviously.

[meegbear]

2. The abortion reinforces the experience of trauma ...

as opposed to carrying to term and giving birth. Fucktards like this keep driving me farther away from the church.

[arcane1]

3. and how much will they help the child of that unmarried poor mother?

:shrug:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

Probably not at all

after all, she must have asked for it, as at least one of these fundy preachers once said that it was impossible for a woman who was really raped to get pregnant because during a rape "all the juices dry up" or some such nonsense.

[arcane1]

15. LMAO! fundy preachers = experts on female genetalia

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

[sarcasmo]

4. More Insanity from Religion. If there were no Religion how man Wars would

have been fought?

[Mandate My Ass]

5. pregnancy is often difficult even when of sound mind and body

put the stress of pregnancy on top of the trauma of rape and that is a recipe to screw up an individual for life.

Usually the post traumatic stress from a rape doesn't kick in till months afterward. Being in the late first trimester or the second trimester when the emotional storms and the need to self medicate manifest alongside the drastic hormonal changes and :nuke:

The zygote zealots are very mean-spirited, IMHO.

[MrPrax]

29. screw up an individual -- you think?

First there is having your soul ripped out by the rape itself.

Then having your soul ripped out when you find out your pregnant.

Then having your soul ripped out when you are forced by law to carry to term.

Then having your soul ripped out when you go to court to give testimony on the rape conviction only to have the defense lawyer use the fact you carried it to term implying it might have been consensual.

Then having your soul ripped out when you have to make that decision of keeping it or setting up for adoption.

Then having your soul ripped out, if you decide to keep it, of having a bored convicted rapist using every custody trick the law allows just to terrorize you again.

(This assumes of course they catch the guy -- who could conceivably months after the rape, come forward and say it was consensual and it is his baby as well and he should be allowed access to the rape victim and the child.)

Then having your soul ripped out, when you can't really tell the kid too much about his or her father...

etc etc etc

Screw up an individual WOMAN -- no doubt about it

[leesa]

6. Well, I know I would certainly relish going through the trauma of an

unwanted pregnancy after the trauma of being raped. It would heal my psyche quicker than anything!

[Gman]

7. Is childbirth also contraindicated?

one of the two has to happen. Either abortion or carry the child to birth. It ain't gonna go away by itself, normally. How would the trauma of 12 hours of labor be better?

When my ex-wife was in heavy labor with our first child she screamed the famous words to me, "YOU BASTARD! THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!" and her and I were married. That is, I wasn't some stranger that raped her. Of course, I didn't take it personally and she really didn't remember saying it. So what would a rape victim think or feel during childbirth?

[CottonBear]

8. I think I'd kill myself before I'd give birth to the child a of rapist. nt

[MissB]

9. "Every study done on this topic"

that we've approved shows that sexual assault....

[gollygee]

35. = one study that we did ourselves

of a few young women who go to our church.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. BS!!!!! Every kick from that baby is reliving that rape for some women

Leave it upto the individual woman to determine what she can and cannot live with and STOP giving her hell because she is the victim here.

Darned "right-to-(no quality)-lifers"

[uppityperson]

11. Doesn't pregnancy "reinforces the experience of trauma"

How about birth? How about looking at that sweet baby every day, loving that baby and being reminded of the sexual assault? Or is the sight of that baby supposed to make you forget and forgive because, after all, you did get a sweet little baby?

bs.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

12. Last time I heard from these people, they were saying

that it was impossible for a woman who was raped to get pregnant. Now this.

[BOSSHOG]

13. Blow Me Father For I have Sinned

Father Frank doesn't have to concern himself with pregnancies and abortion and such.

"Every Study" my ass. Every study this, every study that. Just like we got to fight them over there. And we have to stay the course. And we can't cut and run. Got to keep the lemmings tinkling in your collection plate father. Any pedophilia in your background frank?

[DinahMoeHum]

14. AFAIAC, a pregancy from rape or incest means conception out of evil.

and as a woman, since this "life" was conceived from evil, I would not allow it to exist in my body any longer than it has to. It would be destroyed - one way or another.

:evilfrown:

[Ilsa]

16. He's never had to worry about this on a personal level.

As in, he's been raped and he's afraid he could be pregnant. I've been there. I've been afraid of pregnancy and STD's, but more afraid of sTD's since there is no "abortion" for some of them. Having the abortion would have been a no-brainer.

Screw this heartless bastard.

[Recursion]

17. I can tell you where this is going next...

...because I've heard this argument, in as many words:

"We don't kill the children of murderers, so why kill the children of rapists?"

Brace for it, and come up with a response.

[coalition_unwilling]

21. Here's my response: Why do you hate women? n/t

[Recursion]

25. Accurate, but we need to do better

I think progressives need to wake up to the fact that we've lost the choice fight. We've lost it because we focused on the status of the fetus rather than the liberty of the woman. Frankly, a fetus *is* a human life and it takes a lot of sophistry to argue otherwise. What I think we need to focus on is the fact that the government has not been granted (and must not be granted) the kind of powers over individual autonomy that would allow it to arbitrarily restrict abortion.

We need to play on their fears, sadly. We need to play on their fears of government making their very personal medical choices for them. Otherwise we're going to keep seeing rollbacks in reproductive choice, until there is no choice anymore.

Just my $0.02, at least.

[coalition_unwilling]

36. Is a foetus a human life? I guess it depends on how you define

a "human life." Given that Mother Nature has seen fit in her infinite wisdom to spontaneously abort some 50% of all conceptions (independent of the actions\inactions of man), Mother Nature certainly doesn't hold "human life" as some sort of sacred be-all and end-all.

Furthermore, I don't believe we've "lost the choice fight," as polls consistently show that 60-70% of Americans favor a woman's right to choose.

The point I was making is that attempts to restrict women's reproductive choices are really mostly a mask for a not-so-covert misogyny. The RW became newly empowered in the wake of Roe v. Wade and I would argue that Roe v. Wade gave all those closet misogynists out there a convenient fig-leaf behind which to hide their misogyny.

I'm a man, btw,

[Johonny]

18. seems odd

Abortion would seem to help the victim not have the rapist baby.

[Kailassa]

19. Yes, an abortion could be expected to bring back memories.

So the girl needs the abortion to be quick, simple and safe, and have lots of love and support, then she can start getting over the whole lot.

To force a girl to stay pregnant can be torture , not only for the girl, but also for the poor child she bears.

Babies deserve to be loved and wanted. Only a misogynist idiot would want force the making of a baby in those sort of situations.

The fact that, for many girls, abortion is not an easy option, is no reason to remove the option.

[Lars39]

20. They're officially Pro-Rapist.

(I'd use the trademark thingy, but I don't know how.)

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

22. Hey, it's all about money!

Check these anti-abortion groups. Almost all of them have their own adoption service. They know that a rape victim, forced to carry a child to full term, will almost always want to put that child up for adoption. That's where they come in. Adoption is a huge moneymaker, per child, especially if that child is a desirable, fully-white or blonde and blue-eyed(especially). Huge amounts of money change hands in one of these transactions.

But of course, massa Lincoln freed the slaves. Kindasorta.

[Crowdance]

31. And then charge the birthmom $1500-2000 when she wants to find the child

The Diane Rehm show had a piece on June 27 that described what life was like for pregnant young women in the 60's, when they were all sent to the Crittendon Homes' adoption mills. One woman discussed how the organization wanted to charge her $1500 to find the child they'd adopted out 30 years ago. She opted to hire a private investigator instead because they wouldn't provide her with the name of the child for her money, they would only contact the child with the mother's name.

It is,indeed,all about the money.

[sgxnk]

23. ok, that's just stupid

i am prochoice, but i can accept people who, as a matter of conscience are against abortion

but this claim is just bizzarre

i haven't reviewed the studies, but it flies in the face of what i know about rape, and i have dealt with many a rape victim

[noonwitch]

24. It always amazes me when a man who takes a vow of celibacy

thinks he has the right to make reproductive decisions for all women, especially women who have been sexually assualted.

He's full of shit. I'm pro-choice in a legal sense, but in a personal sense, the one reason which I would not hesitate to seek an abortion is if I was raped and could not receive medical attention until it was too late for the morning after pill. If I was forced to carry a child conceived in rape, well, I would have no intention of raising it myself. I can't speak for all women, but I probably wouldn't be as likely to quit smoking during my pregnancy, or make any of the other sacrifices a loving, willing mother will make when pregnant. On top of that, I would be dealing with my fears and anxieties, and probably would be in one of those afraid to leave the house moods for a while.

I hope the South Dakota voters have more sense than these "Priests for Life".

[Lars39]

26. Pavone was on the scene for the Terry Schiavo mess,

with his buddy Terry Randall.

[Fleshdancer]

27. Asshole

:grr:

I would love to respond with the obvious logic that 10 months of pregnancy, 15 hours of labor and 18 years of raising a child is probably NOT the best way to heal from the trauma of sexual torture but what would be the point of debating this ridiculous crap? My life, my body, my sexuality and my choice are of no concern to these people. Never has been, never will be.

[truebrit71]

30. Written by a man I see.....What the hell would he know about it?

In the case of rape and/or incest the abortion issue should ALWAYS be moot....

What kind of neanderthal thinks that a raped woman wants to bring to term the fruit of the rapists loins?

Men need to sit down and STFU about this issue. PERIOD.

[Warren DeMontague]

32. Yep. What those ladies need is a strong helpin' of vitamin Jesus.

Let me guess. "Every study" also says that Global Warming is a myth, The Earth is 6,000 years old, Evolution is a fraud, and Dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark.

Getting Your Science from a bunch of Priests makes about as much sense as getting your groceries from a shoe store.

[Eileen]

33. The nepotism of the AAPI!

What we actually have here is a definitive example of the strategy og the Anti Abortion Propaganda Industry (AAPI). One arm manufactures the propaganda (the Elliott institute in this case): a second arm uses its notoriety and pulpit to endorse the propaganda (in this case Priests For Lies but frequently such groups as Human Lies International, Focus on Family restraint, or Lie Dynamics); and a third arm broadcasts as wide as possible to the target audience (christian newswire or just Google pro-life newsletters).

Let's start with Reardon, the author of the "study" - a study which has exactly the same flaw that all of his studies have since he believes correlation equals causation, a belief that would fail a "statistics 101" student. This is understandable since his credentials are phony.

Often, at this point, somebody points out to me that I am trashing the work of a man with a PhD and claims that he has to have some qualifications that give credibility to his work. I'm asked "How could somebody with a PhD actually be guilty of the dumb undergrad statistical 'errors' you accuse Reardon of?" This gives me the opportunity to point out that all "degrees" are not created equal.

So exactly what are 'Dr'. Reardon's qualifications?

Even more to the point how could Reardon continue to make the same dumb mistakes again and again?

It is really difficult to actually find this information because his CV is not generally included in his writing but research has turned up the following.

Reardon claims to have graduated from University of Illinois with a degree in Electronic Engineering. His PhD, he says, is in "Biomedical Ethics" and comes from Pacific Western University.

His undergraduate work does not qualify him as an authority in the areas he currently writes on (although it should have qualified him to recognize his constant misrepresentation of statistics); so what value has this famous PhD that makes him so proud to use the Dr. label?

Pacific Western University is an unaccredited 'institution' and is http://cust3.iamerica.net/easywave/top10.htm">- one of the top 10 degree diploma mills in the USA.

Pacific Western says: "A good candidate for a doctorate degree would be someone who needs the qualification to facilitate foreign travel, obtaining a work visa, publish a book or professional articles, join professional associations or to elevate his or her standing in professional circles, particularly in the consulting field." This article in "Pacific Business News" will give you a little more information on how Hawaii views their notorious degree mill.

The graduate degree at this institution gives credit for "life experience" and since Reardon's main life experience has been the production of phony and statistically unsound "studies" that attempt to correlate abortion and the medically unrecognized and non existent "Post Abortion Stress Syndrome" this was the foundation for his supposed PhD in "Biomedical Ethics".

While Reardon continually pushes Roman Catholic Dogma, and is frequently referred to on Anti Abortion Propaganda Industry (AAPI) sites, you will not find any outline in his writing for dealing with a "post illegalization of abortion" period. Nor will you ever find a discussion of the dilemma of providing two sets of rights to a single entity. He consistently insists, also, that there is a significant abortion/breast cancer (type never specified) link despite the debunked nature of this claim.

The lesson here appears to be "If you are writing misogynist anti-abortion RC propaganda your real qualifications are irrelevant as long as you can fake it convincingly".

If you want to learn a little about the Pavone connection you might find - This "Body Politic" article - useful for filling some of the gaps.

As for broadcast sources - they range from Faux to the local Talibornagain church of whatever denomination.

"All propaganda must be so popular and on such
an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of
those towards whom it is directed will understand
it. Therefore, the intellectual level of the
propaganda must be lower the larger the number
of people who are to be influenced by it."

"Through clever and constant application of
propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as
hell, and the other way round, to consider the
most wretched sort of life as paradise."

That quote wasn't from Josef, but from his leader.

- Eileen`s always in process page -


Eileen

[kskiska]

34. Doesn't anyone remember Father Frank Pavone?

He was the nutjob priest representing the Schindler family outside Terri Schiavo's hospice. (Not sure whether he was the one in the monk's robes.)