Right or wrong, we have a duty to support President during time of war?

[kentuck]

No matter if he is a fool and lied to us many, many times, we have a "patriotic" duty to support our President during time of war. Do Republicans really believe this bullshit? Or are they just too ashamed to admit that they too, are part of the problem and are just as ignorant as their leader? But, they say, with our troops in harm's way, we have a duty to support them. When they are in a war, we should not criticize the Commander in Chief. As if to say, once the war is over, then you can criticize? However, how do you know it will ever be over and how many troops are supposed to die while you are silent, clinging to your "patriotic duty" excuse? How much of that crap do you buy?

[C_U_L8R]

1. what war?

[warrens]

2. Yawohl!!

It is mein duty to support whatever mein fuhrer says, ja.

[BooScout]

3. I don't support that asshole in anything he does.

He needs to be impeached. Then imprisoned for life. Nuff said.

[gademocrat7]

4. I don't buy any of that rhetoric.

[HereSince1628]

5. Exactly, because false loyalty is the last refuge of miserable C-I-C's

when that's gone, well let's just say we can change horses in the middle of a stream if we choose.

[porphyrian]

6. It's wrong.

If we were concerned with doing our duty, we would've already taken up arms and removed these traitors from our White House.

[zbdent]

7. They would have been stabbing Al Gore in the back the moment the

first plane hit the WTC ...

[flakey_foont]

8. no

DULCE ET DECORUM EST

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flareswe turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped5 Five-Nines that dropped behind.

Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets8 just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panesand thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori

[Mz Pip]

9. He's not my Commander in Chief

I'm not in the military.

Bandwagon patriotism is a form of nationalism that counts on that kind of unquestioning loyalty. I don't think it's healthy for a nation to accept the "My country right or wrong" mantra. It's dangerous.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[tbyg52]

19. Even if you were in the military...

...you could be prosecuted for following an illegal order. So we civilians are entitled to speak up when the Commander in Chief breaks the law. At the very least.

[Warpy]

10. I will support their IDIOT just as much as they supported

Clinton during his bombing exercises against Iraq and Serbia.

[BOSSHOG]

20. As trent lott

said back in the 90's, we can support the troops without supporting the president. I guess those rules changed in 2001. I'm a vet. bush is insane. Our kids are dying because he is a liar and he wanted to be called a war president. No george you don't get my support, for anything.

[corkhead]

26. The rules didn't change, there aren't any rules and they think we're too s

toopid to notice or understand the concept of hypocracy.

[Johonny]

31. I think

Republicans all have long term memory loss. It's like the whole not supporting Clintons military adventures never happen. It's clear to be a Republican is to forget everything you believe was ok when a democrat is in office.

[breakaleg]

11. duty? of course not!

What is a democracy without an opposing view?

It's our job to question, double check, keep our politicians on the up and up.

Blind faith is out.

[Touchdown]

12. They confuse President with CIC

He is never the commander in Chief to anyone who is not serving in the military. The military is under civillian control, as it sould be, and the President is on the civillian payroll, which means he works for us. What the Pugs are saying is that * has drafted all civilians into bowing before him, which means that under rules they pull out of their asses, we should support him, bow before him, worship him and suck his cock at every opportunity. If the Prez starts a war, then those service members are bound to follow his orders, but the civilian population has no such obligation, and should have no such allegience. As Teddy Roosevelt said, it's servile.

[CJCRANE]

13. Let them go and fight his war

if that's what they believe.

[tbyg52]

14. If we followed this line of reasoning...

...any president, any time, could silence criticism by starting a war.

Hmmmmm......:evilgrin:

[think4yourself]

15. It's a lot easier

It sure is easier to support the President when the War is justified. In WWII it was clear. But blind faith in any leader is not American.

[underpants]

16. Yes they believe it- there is a paternalism thing with them that is strong

I have never understood the degree to which paternalism is so strong with them. Granted we live in a paternalistic society but about the time I came around the feminist movement was kicking into gear so I grew up with it. This could be their reaction to feminism or something else-I'm not a psychologists but someone really needs to study how their minds work to figure it out. Their complete lack of ability to get sarcasm or irony is frankly quite frightening.

[mac56]

17. This is the tired old warhorse they trotted out about Nixon

during the Vietnam era.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Yet they had no guilt about mercilessly bashing Clinton. Was it because we weren't "at war"?

[Fleshdancer]

18. I don't have a duty to support any politician I disagree with

The notion that I should be forced to support someone because they decide to bomb another country is illogical and just plain crazy.

[sueh]

21. You're joking, right??

[kentuck]

23. I thought some Freeper would dispute it but...

apparently everyone agrees with us?

[bowens43]

22. I buy none of it.

If the 'war' is wrong (and this war is) it's our duty to oppose it.

[pdxmom]

24. They didn't feel that way in regards to Clinton and Bosnia. I guess

they've suddenly become patriotic and realize the error of their ways.

:sarcasm:

[sinkingfeeling]

25. You don't have to buy any of that crap! There is no war.

[Initech]

27. I think blind faith in leaders can be extremely dangerous

Look at the bile and garbage spewed day in and day out on AM hate radio. Look at the ignorance proudly displayed on Fox News, where they proclaim that if you dont support the president and follow the GOP party line exactly in toe, then you're un-American. It's easy to question the patriotism of pacifisists, people have been doing that since the days of ancient China. It's difficult to question the patriotism of those serving in the highest offices of the land, especially when the sheeple consider their leaders to be infalliable.

It's the mentality of the "God Bless America" crowd that scares the shit out of me more than anything Osama could even dream of.

[mmonk]

28. Can't find it in my guide to the constitution.

[kurth]

29. If and only if it is a just war that is worth our soldiers' blood

Not some fucking bullshit LIE cooked up in the basement of a dictator's mansion.

[Dob Bole]

30. I would enlist and fight in the war, if I thought it was just...

and necessary to protect my friends and family. In fact, I nearly did enlist after September 11, but one of my Army friends talked me out of it. But I've never thought that this war was just or necessary.

[caledesi]

32. I don't remember rethugs being called "traitors" and unpatriotic

when they dissed Clinton concerning Kosovo, do you?