What was the ethnic ancestry of Gibson's arresting officer?

[liberal N proud]

Does anyone know the ancestry of the officer who arrested and wrote the police report?

I was just wondering who made the original interpretation of the arrest?

[Behind the Aegis]

1. One of the officers was Jewish.

Supposedly, the officer is in trouble for revealing what 'Mel' said.

[liberalnurse]

3. It is my understanding that it is ALL

on tape..................

[Behind the Aegis]

6. that is my understanding too...

...and I hope they release the damn video so I can stop seeing the bullshit defense of that prick! Show him for the Jew-hating asshole he is!

[k_jerome]

10. maybe he said zionist. then it would be ok. no? nt.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. to some here....you better fucking believe it!

[papau]

16. AND ON VIDEO! I look forward to the release!

:-)

[RadiDem]

4. The arresting officer is Jewish

I saw him on TV tonight. He's probably 45-50, and seemed rather nice. He didn't exude any of that macho tough-guy attitude that many cops do. His last name is Mee, and I though he might have been Chinese from that name, but I was wrong.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. Maybe he is both!

I know a few Jews of Chinese background. Rare! But, they do exist!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

5. Wonder if ol' Mel realized that

Maybe that's why he said those things. To deliberately antagonize the officer. Thus rendering any claim that he wasn't lucid enough to realize what he was saying bogus.

[liberalnurse]

2. That is not a reasonable angle to review...

The Officer preformed his/her duty and reported objective findings with Mr. Gibson just as he/she would provide regarding any/all such arresting reports. This is standard.

[liberal N proud]

8. Everything is reasonable is these situations

All angles need to be exposed.
It would be like not allowing us to expose the right wing connections of FAUX news.

My suspicions confirmed that the arresting officer was Jewish. I will not reveal any further speculations as it will just fuel a fire that does not need any more gasoline.

[Behind the Aegis]

12. reveal!

I really would like to know what you are thinking!

[liberal N proud]

15. What Mel Gibson says at an arrest is irrelevant

Then why was it put in a police report?
But the commanding officer told the officer to re-write the report and leave out the irrelevant subject matter. But it still becomes public knowledge. WHY?

What is the officer(s) motive leaking that sort of information? He should never have provided any information to any persons outside of the police department.

My motive and this is going to get the flames rolling here this morning is: Many Jewish people were upset with Mel following the Passion and IF the officer was indeed Jewish and was one of the people who were upset with Mel over the Passion, then he may have just allowed personal feelings intervene in his work. Now being an upstanding police officer, I am sure he was above that sort of action. Then why was what Mel Gibson said made public?

Now how long before this gets attacked as anti semitic, which it is not intended, or just flamed and locked?

[papau]

17. changing "resisting arrest" to "arrest without incident" is tolerance of

slurs against Jews in an arrest. You don't talk back to the officer and get away with it - unless it is just anti-Jewish slurs I guess.

[liberal N proud]

19. It would not matter what ethnic group he was slurring

If the officer was of that ethnic group and was subject to those slurs, then yes it would be difficult for him to restrain himself.
How many black cops have been called the N word when arrested by a white bigot? Does that show up in the report?

I am not excusing what Mel Gibson said or anyone else's racial remarks, just that it is strange that this was even revealed.

[Behind the Aegis]

22. Stacy Coon!

[papau]

35. Does that show up in the report? Resisting arrest and needing to be

subdued always shows up in the report - except for Gibson.

Slurs being reported - indeed statements - do indeed show up.

No handcuffs is "unheard of" (I like the phrase - but it is unusual) for an arrest that had required force.

Rewrites ordered by anyone are "unheard of".

As to strange that this was even revealed" - true.

Thank God for whistle blowers - so to speak! :-)

[Behind the Aegis]

20. He is a celebrity!

If he said "Aliens are making me drink!" it would be all over the papers! Think Anne Heche!

"But the commanding officer told the officer to re-write the report and leave out the irrelevant subject matter. But it still becomes public knowledge. WHY?" Hmmmm...could it be because it was a celebrity?

"What is the officer(s) motive leaking that sort of information? He should never have provided any information to any persons outside of the police department." Maybe because Mel is a major celebrity?

"My motive and this is going to get the flames rolling here this morning is: Many Jewish people were upset with Mel following the Passion and IF the officer was indeed Jewish and was one of the people who were upset with Mel over the Passion, then he may have just allowed personal feelings intervene in his work. Now being an upstanding police officer, I am sure he was above that sort of action. Then why was what Mel Gibson said made public?" So, let me ask you, if the officer had been Black and Mel screamed "Nigger!" Do you think it would be because he was trying to show that Mel hated blacks because none of his movies have Blacks except as COMEDIC (Step-n-Fetch-it) sidekicks?

"Now how long before this gets attacked as anti semitic, which it is not intended, or just flamed and locked?" Do you care? Seriously? I don't think what you asked was anti-Semitic or flame-bait. But, let me ask you....

...had he said "Blacks are all criminals," "fags are all pedophiles,"..."are you a Black? Gay?" Do you think THAT would have been reported?

[liberal N proud]

23. The point is, what ever he said should not have been made public

regardless if he is a celebrity or not. Just my opinion.
I would bet anything that many white bigot celebrities have been arrested by black police officers and been called the "N" word with out it being reported.
That does not excuse anything of such nature being said, but it did not belong in the police report or in the gossip columns/shows.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. Your opinion.

Where I will diverge from your opinion. If it was said, then it SHOULD be in the police report. Now, the whole "should the media report it," is a whole other ball of wax. The obsession in our culture with celebs is well known. So, what they say...important to life or not, gets reported. That is reality in the US.

[liberalnurse]

33. You want to know why????????

"Then why was it put in a police report?"

Because it is required to provide objective data including the statements and behaviors during the DUI arrest.

[sgxnk]

39. here's why it is relevant

DUI cases need to prove "impairment"

although, in some states, there is a 2prong either/or statute (iow, .08 and over *or* impaired)

but, in DUI cases, a suspect's BEHAVIOR is directly relevant to the charge to be proven - impairment by liquor (or drugs if that is the case)

i have made over 100 dui arrests and have testified as expert witness in FST's (or more properly called Field Sobriety MANEUVERS (not tests))

how a suspect behaves is relevant to a DUI arrest, because alcohol impairs judgment and other personality factors

it CAN be used to help prove the impairment (and./or establish PC) that a suspect was acting inconsistent with their "normal" modes of behavior

that's a form of direct evidence

other examples: slurred speech, bloodshot/glassy eyes, lack of fine motor control, inability to divide attention, etc.

ALL of these "indicia of impairment" can (and are) sometimes present in non-impaired people. but, they are intensified by alcohol and are especially useful when compared to the person's "baseline"

in the case of gibson, almost everybody is familiar with his baseline (nonimpaired state) having seen him in interviews, etc.

the fact that mel made these statements DOES go towards evidence of impairment. they are strongly suggestive that he was impaired. he has never made similar statements (that i am aware of) when sober, and they are exactly the type of statements that sometimes come out when a persons inhibitions are relaxed. relaxation of inhibition is another element of alcohol impairment. as any drunk college student knows

[liberalnurse]

32. Just go down to your local police station and ask

what objective data is required when filing their report....You will see that it is required to report the facts...it is always required to include the objective statements and behaviors within the report.

The Officer was doing his job correctly. Apparently, you want to throw in a race card and apply it to a professionally conducted DUI report because you do not like the outcome.....

[sgxnk]

40. you are correct. these statements ARE relevant to the charge of DUI

they would not be relevant for a charge of (for example) shoplifting

but - DUI cases need to prove "impairment"

although, in some states, there is a 2prong either/or statute (iow, .08 and over *or* impaired)

but, in DUI cases, a suspect's BEHAVIOR is directly relevant to the charge to be proven - impairment by liquor (or drugs if that is the case)

i have made over 100 dui arrests and have testified as expert witness in FST's (or more properly called Field Sobriety MANEUVERS (not tests))

how a suspect behaves is relevant to a DUI arrest, because alcohol impairs judgment and other personality factors

it CAN be used to help prove the impairment (and./or establish PC) that a suspect was acting inconsistent with their "normal" modes of behavior

that's a form of direct evidence

other examples: slurred speech, bloodshot/glassy eyes, lack of fine motor control, inability to divide attention, etc.

ALL of these "indicia of impairment" can (and are) sometimes present in non-impaired people. but, they are intensified by alcohol and are especially useful when compared to the person's "baseline"

in the case of gibson, almost everybody is familiar with his baseline (nonimpaired state) having seen him in interviews, etc.

the fact that mel made these statements DOES go towards evidence of impairment. they are strongly suggestive that he was impaired. he has never made similar statements (that i am aware of) when sober, and they are exactly the type of statements that sometimes come out when a persons inhibitions are relaxed. relaxation of inhibition is another element of alcohol impairment. as any drunk college student knows

[liberalnurse]

43. That is an excellent supporting statement!

I love it when a Pro speaks up!:yourock:

[sgxnk]

44. thank you

i appreciate that

[HuffleClaw]

9. who fucking cares

its irrelevent.

[MadHound]

13. Hear, hear, it is nothing more than a diversion

A crass propaganda attempt to distract people from what is going on elsewhere that is of much more importance. Innocents dying in the ME, but let's not pay attention to that, rather let's whip the sheeple into a frenzy over Mel Gibson.

And sadly people fall for it, everyday and twice on Sundays:eyes:

[Behind the Aegis]

14. Almost as sad that will dismiss the anti-Semitic ravings.

then again, he didn't gun down anyone in Seattle. That story is so popular here too. :eyes:

[MadHound]

18. Oh knock off the attitude.

Geez Louise, a little bit touchy there lately? Jumping on every excuse to insinuate that people around here are anti-semetic at worst, or just don't care about Israel at the best? I've seen your posts around here, and quite frankly I wonder what your real motivations are. You jump on every single person who has deviated the least little bit from supporting Israel, right or wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence of what Israel has done is morally and ethically repugnant.

And now, you're jumping on my case because I speak the truth, that I don't join in on the mindless chorus droning on and on "Mel is evil, Mel is evil". Pathetic, just simply pathetic. OK let me give this to you in two sylable words that you can't misconstrue. Yes, Mel's little tirade was a filthy little piece of anti-semetic garbage. However, the airplay and the legs that it has received in the media indicates that it's being kept around less to punish Mel, and more as a diversion from other, much more horrible things going on in the world. It is the equivalent of a "blonde missing in Aruba" story or any other propaganda piece that has been put out there. Now do you get it, or are you going to continue to be purposely obtuse in order to serve your own motivations.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. Get over YOURSELF!

See anything here about Israel?! I haven't called anyone anti-Semitic (not Du'ers), but don't let that interfere with your smear.

I love this charge: "You jump on every single person who has deviated the least little bit from supporting Israel, right or wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence of what Israel has done is morally and ethically repugnant." Yes, I have jumped on EVERY SINGLE person! :eyes:

You speak the truth? According to you! I never said "Mel is evil." Nice try at an attempt to say something I DIDN'T SAY!

I wonder, would you be as defensive if he had said "nigger?"

[ShaniqaPie]

28. Bad, but not as bad as...

I think it's clear that he was speaking from the heart when he let all that slip, but as far as I know, he said "Jew". I don't think he said "kike" or "Hymie" or other racial slurs against Jews. Maybe it's on the videotape and we don't know about it. I'm ready to stand corrected.

I know that there is a difference in how I feel when I'm in a restaurant and I overhear "black this and black that" versus "those f*ckin' niggers". I seems an artificial escalation of what Gibson said to imply he said something (to an apparently Jewish cop) equivalent to calling a black copp a nigger.

H. C.

[datasuspect]

29. no, really

and i mean this best way possible, but at times what you write makes you seemed unhinged.

and that's pretty bad if it's coming from a whackjob like me.

yikes!

[MadHound]

37. Way to set up a nice fat strawman

And completely blow off my main point, ie that this whole Gibson story is nothing more than a diversion. Good job there:eyes:

Another good job is how you are participating, willingly, in keeping this story going. Just keeping those sheeple diverted from much bigger stories, like, oh say, the war in the ME.

Don't you get it, don't you understand, you are playing right into the Neo Cons hands. Good job, you are either a willing or unwilling tool for the right:thumbsup::eyes:

And frankly, if Mel had said anything about any other minority, and the media was beating it to death with the vigor that it is now, well yes, I would be saying the same thing, because the same dynamic would still be in play, ie, it would be a diversion.

Oh, and I never quoted you directly as saying that Mel is evil. However that is the basic gist of your tirades in this thread. And yes, you jump over anybody who isn't enthusiasticly condemning him with the same vigor that you are exhibiting in the Israel/Lebanon threads. And yes, you are disingenously insinuating that those who don't are somehow anti-semetic. You have to go no further for proof of that than our little exchange, never mind the display that you've put on in the rest of this thread, and in the Israel/Lebanon threads in general. No, you don't come right out and accuse somebody who disagrees with you of being anti-semetic, but you certainly do everything but say that. And quite frankly it's getting old and annoying.

Get this through your head, people who disagree with you over these issues aren't neccessarily anti-semetic. One can criticize Israel and not be an anti-semite. One can spot a media diversion ala Mel Gibson without being an anti-semite. Do you understand? I certainly hope so, and I hope that you realize that you're being used as a tool, and change your actions accordingly.

[Behind the Aegis]

42. Sad.

So very sad!

[adriennui]

24. mel isn't evil

he's a pathetic drunk who was DUI.

[Behind the Aegis]

26. but that he hates Jews, should have never been reported...

...because he was right..."Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world now!" :sarcasm:

[adriennui]

27. i'm trying to calm the inmates

by stating what is obvious. he's long been known to be an anti-semitic, woman hating, gay bashing piece of turd.
the idiot just went into rehab and VOILA will come out a changed man. the PR machine is doing it's job.

[Lost4words]

38. I have read all your responses to this thread.

Mel Gibson has everything, even an island. With all that he is filled with hate and to boot he is a stinking week spirited DRUNK!

May he hate until his veins are rock hard. May he drown himself in a drunken self loathing stupor. If there were a god, gibson would have hit a tree at 90 mph and survived as a quadriplegic.

This is his own doing and the world should know what a scum he is. I support 100% the release of this info.

[ShaniqaPie]

31. That's like saying

When a drunk man comes home and tells his wife she's ugly that he doesn't really mean it. Or that a guy who regularly gets drunk and picks up women he "ordinarily" wouldn't has high standards and wouldn't sleep with the sort of women he always sleeps with.

Mel got drunk and said what's really on his mind all the time.

S.

[Bucky]

30. If we're counting ancestors, aren't we all African

Of course the ethnicity of the officers isn't important. What's important is that the Jews are all out to get Mel Gibson. For which I thank them.

[Joanne98]

34. This is reminding me of the immigration debate....

I was furious about the amnesty bill (mostly because I grew up on the border) and because I was against amnesty, I got jumped on for being racist. I'm NOT racist, but that didn't matter. There are certain things the chanters, "racist sexist anti-gay" won't let people on the left talk about. The Mel Gibson thing is being shut down. We can't talk about it. I don't even like Mel Gibson and I didn't see his stupid movie but destroying the man for saying stupid things when he was drunk is over-reacting. It's also going to backfire. The more Hollywood crucifies him, the more people will come to his defense. AND if I can add just one more thing...

If Hollywood crucifies Mel Gibson, it will add fuel to that stupid conspiracy theory that Jews control the world media.(which I don't believe)

My personal theory about Mel...

He was sitting in his Malibu home watching al Jazzera, watching the war, and he got pissed off, got drunk, then shot off his mouth while getting booked. This is totally normal achololic behavior BTW.

PS, I'm glad he went to a rehab. He's got a problem and he needs help.

[WinkyDink]

36. I don't get the point of your asking.

[liberal N proud]

41. My question was answered

The arresting officer was Jewish, Gibson is accused of making anti-semitic remarks although officially not a crime. Not moral or ethical, but not a crime.
The officer was told to remove those remarks from the report, but they ended up in the hands of a Jewish organization. Let your mind wander for a bit.

Not passing judgment on anyone here just asking questions because thats what thinking people do, ask questions.