I don't know how i feel about the M.E. conflict

[tinfoil tiaras]

Okay, I know this is a very contentious subject for all DUers, but I'm gonna try to tackle it anyway.

I don't know how i feel. I'm in the middle on all of this. I hate that Israel is bombing all this stuff in Lebanon and all these innocent Lebanese people are getting killed, but I don't like it when the Hezbullah terrorists bomb Israel and kill innocent Israelis. I just want all of them to come to some sort of agreement and stop bombing each other and whatnot. I don't wanna be branded an anti-semite for thinking that it's bad that Israel is killing the Lebanese, but I don't wanna be branded as a pro-Israeli dupe for thinking that it's bad for Hezbullah to attack and kill Israelis. :( :( All of this is so sad...which is why I never really get into it....:(

I just hope for peace in my lifetime.

[lvx35]

1. Its the identities which are screwing us all...

jewish, christian, muslim. Most people feel just like you do, if we could get over these group identities and be individuals I think we could realize it.

[cynatnite]

2. You do know how you feel...

It's just tough to express with all that's going back and forth over such a sensitive issue. You want peace.

Just like most sane normal human beings.

Like you, I hope real peace does come, but the cynic in me says it will only be a lull between wars.

[fujiyama]

3. It sounds like you sympathize

with both sides. You have humanity left in you and haven't fallen into a trap of hatred.

You're not anti-Semitic or Anti-Arab, or anti anything. You sound like you're pro peace...Keep working for it. It feels like a thankless task, and yes it is idealistic, but we can only hope that one day disputes will be solved using less destructive means.

[Erika]

4. Hezbullah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers

You think that crime deserves what Israel has done to innocent Lebanese? Last count, 59 Israelis dead, 560 Lebanese dead.

Twenty three % of Lebanon's duly elected democratic government were Hezbulla. You want to overturn a democracy?

[Hippo_Tron]

6. With all due respect, the OP did not say any of those things

She is merely stating that she doesn't know how to respond to many of the issues posed, including the ones that you stated in the form of rhetorical questions.

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. That's not the ONLY reason. Hezbollah has been VERY active in terrorism

FOR YEARS. They need to be eliminated so they stop this crap.



Abu Nidal Organization (ANO) and Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (Mar. 29, 1989, Belgium)

Action Directe and Hezbollah attacked Business target (Apr. 13, 1985, France)

Committee of Solidarity with Arab and Middle East Political Prisoners (CSPPA) and Hezbollah attacked Transportation target (Mar. 18, 1986, France)

Hamas and Hezbollah attacked Military target (Mar. 21, 1991, Israel)

Hezbollah and Islamic Movement for Change attacked Military target (June 25, 1996, Saudi Arabia)

Hezbollah and Islamic Salvation Front attacked Airports & Airlines target (Aug. 26, 1992, Algeria)

Hezbollah and Khaibar Brigades attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 22, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah and Lebanese National Resistance Front attacked Military target (Mar. 10, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Airports & Airlines target (Dec. 25, 1986, Iraq)

Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Diplomatic target (Apr. 18, 1983, Lebanon)

Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Diplomatic target (Jan. 5, 1989, Thailand)

Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Military target (Apr. 12, 1985, Spain)

Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Other target (Feb. 6, 1984, France)

Hezbollah and Other Group attacked Tourists target (Feb. 4, 1990, Egypt)

Hezbollah and al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (GAI) attacked Government target (June 26, 1995, Ethiopia)

Hezbollah and al-Qaeda attacked Military target (Nov. 13, 1995, Saudi Arabia)

Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (Apr. 5, 1988, Thailand)

Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (Aug. 28, 1985, Turkey)

Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (Dec. 12, 1983, Kuwait)

Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (Dec. 4, 1984, Iran)



Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (July 22, 1985, Denmark)

Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (July 22, 1985, Denmark)

Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (July 24, 1987, Congo, Republic of the)

Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (June 7, 1985, Greece)

Hezbollah attacked Airports & Airlines target (Sept. 19, 1989, Chad)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Aug. 1, 1987, Tunisia)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Aug. 1, 1987, Tunisia)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Aug. 1, 1987, Tunisia)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Aug. 1, 1987, Tunisia)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Feb. 8, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Jan. 17, 1987, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Jan. 20, 1987, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (June 6, 1995, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Mar. 29, 1985, France)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (May 29, 1986, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Nov. 17, 1993, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Nov. 28, 1995, Turkey)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Sept. 12, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Sept. 7, 1987, France)

Hezbollah attacked Business target (Sept. 9, 1987, France)




Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Aug. 24, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Aug. 7, 1991, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Dec. 12, 1983, Kuwait)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Dec. 12, 1983, Kuwait)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Dec. 27, 1988, Pakistan)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Feb. 20, 1991, Iran)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Feb. 20, 1991, Iran)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Feb. 20, 1991, Iran)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Jan. 17, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Jan. 8, 1987, Cyprus)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (July 13, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (July 26, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (June 6, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 16, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 17, 1992, Argentina)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 22, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 22, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 25, 1991, Turkey)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 27, 1984, Iraq)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Mar. 7, 1992, Turkey)




Hezbollah attacked Military target (Jan. 14, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Jan. 29, 1997, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Jan. 8, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Jan. 8, 1998, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (June 1, 1989, Cote d'Ivoire)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (June 10, 1996, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (June 29, 1993, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Mar. 16, 1983, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Mar. 7, 1994, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Mar. 9, 1989, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 15, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 5, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 28, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 28, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 28, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 9, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 9, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (July 9, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Feb. 10, 1988, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Jan. 13, 1987, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (July 3, 1991, Italy)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (June 17, 1987, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (June 27, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Mar. 16, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Mar. 7, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Mar. 7, 1990, Turkey)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Mar. 8, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (May 26, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (May 20, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (May 5, 1990, Jordan)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Nov. 1, 1989, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Nov. 1, 1989, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Nov. 27, 1984, Italy)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Oct. 10, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Oct. 16, 1989, Turkey)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Oct. 25, 1988, Turkey)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Sept. 20, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Diplomatic target (Sept. 4, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Apr. 3, 1987, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Feb. 10, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Jan. 18, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Jan. 24, 1987, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Mar. 3, 2004, Yemen)

Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (May 27, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (May 28, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Sept. 26, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Sept. 9, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Government target (May 25, 1985, Kuwait)





Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Oct. 24, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Journalists & Media target (Sept. 28, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Aug. 1, 1984, Egypt)




Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Sept. 20, 1984, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Maritime target (Sept. 27, 1985, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Apr. 13, 1993, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Apr. 18, 1987, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Aug. 10, 1996, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Aug. 19, 1993, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Aug. 9, 1989, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Dec. 16, 1988, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Feb. 17, 1988, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Feb. 18, 1987, Lebanon)



Hezbollah attacked Military target (May 1, 1993, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (May 19, 1985, Saudi Arabia)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (May 26, 1988, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (May 30, 1996, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Nov. 9, 1989, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Oct. 19, 1988, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Oct. 23, 1983, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Military target (Oct. 23, 1983, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked NGO target (Aug. 7, 1991, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked NGO target (May 16, 1989, Lebanon)



Hezbollah attacked NGO target (May 25, 1988, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked NGO target (May 4, 1989, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Aug. 28, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Aug. 7, 2001, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Aug. 8, 1991, France)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Feb. 15, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Jan. 10, 1987, Cyprus)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Jan. 23, 1987, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Jan. 27, 1988, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (July 18, 1987, United Kingdom)



Hezbollah attacked Other target (June 11, 1994, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (May 26, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (May 7, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Oct. 1, 1987, United Kingdom)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Oct. 21, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Sept. 14, 1984, Spain)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Apr. 7, 2005, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Apr. 9, 1996, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Aug. 10, 2003, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Dec. 23, 1998, Israel)






Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (July 7, 2003, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Mar. 1, 1993, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Mar. 30, 1996, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Mar. 31, 1995, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Mar. 31, 1998, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (May 19, 1985, Saudi Arabia)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (May 5, 1995, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Nov. 27, 1995, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Oct. 11, 1998, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (Jan. 30, 1987, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked NGO target (May 25, 1988, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked NGO target (May 4, 1989, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Aug. 28, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Aug. 7, 2001, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Aug. 8, 1991, France)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Feb. 15, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Jan. 10, 1987, Cyprus)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Jan. 23, 1987, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Jan. 27, 1988, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (July 18, 1987, United Kingdom)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (June 11, 1994, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (May 26, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (May 7, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Oct. 1, 1987, United Kingdom)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Oct. 21, 1986, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Other target (Sept. 14, 1984, Spain)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Apr. 7, 2005, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Apr. 9, 1996, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Aug. 10, 2003, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Dec. 23, 1998, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (Jan. 8, 1985, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (July 22, 1985, Denmark)

Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (July 22, 1985, Denmark)

Hezbollah attacked Religious Figures/Institutions target (May 10, 1984, Lebanon)

Hezbollah attacked Tourists target (June 23, 1995, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Unknown target (Jan. 6, 2003, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Unknown target (June 23, 1986, Egypt)

Hezbollah attacked Unknown target (May 25, 1998, Israel)

Hezbollah attacked Utilities target (Aug. 15, 1987, Saudi Arabia)

Hezbollah attacked Utilities target (Dec. 12, 1983, Kuwait)

http://www.tkb.org/MoreGroupIncidents.jsp?groupID=3101&sortBy=0&sortOrder=0&pageIndex=0


If you wish to read about any of these attacks, go to the link above.

[Trajan]

11. Problem with that list ....

It seems a tad one sided ...... dontcha think ? ...

It fails to register ANY attacks by Israelis against anyone or anyplace at anytime; and yet we KNOW such a list exists .....

It also fails to recognize those moments when Arab and Jew live in peace and dont attack ANYONE ....

Killing is WRONG ... it is FUCKING WRONG .... I am tired of these weak apologies for the sake of killing innocents ....

There is NO ONE supporting the 'right' of arabs to kill innocent israelis .... and yet you would promote such a ghastly policy towards Lebanese civilians because Hezbollah 'was bad' ? ...

This is such nonsense .... such bullshit .....

Killing IS WRONG ...... damnit .... It is just as wrong for Israelis as it is for anyone else ....

[Emit]

13. Well, it also fails to show that Israel occupied Lebanon from 1982-2000

Many of the dates in that list fall within the dates of the occupation. I think that is an important distinction to make. Isn't it to be expected that the occupier will experience resistance, and suffer the consequences? (Not excusing any of the violence here -- on either side, just stating the obvious, which, too, gets ignored.)

Anyway, I share your sentiments and that is why I am struggling with this issue -- Killing IS WRONG ... and war is not a solution.

[AlamoDemoc]

12. What you listed has nothing to do with what the international community

thinks of Hizballah, however, here's a list of what the international community said of Israel, and condemned of Israel.


A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

* 1955-1992:
* * Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* * Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* * Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* * Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* * Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".


* * Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* * Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* * Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* * Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* * Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* * Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
* *Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* * Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* * Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* * Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
* obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* * Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* * Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* * Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
* states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* * Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
* two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* * Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
* council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* * Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
* by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* * Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
* claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* * Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
* Palestinian mayors".
* * Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
* nuclear facility".
* * Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
* Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* * Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* * Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
* allow food supplies to be brought in".
* * Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
* and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* * Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* * Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* * Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
* in attack on PLO headquarters.
* * Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
* its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* * Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
* at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* * Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
* denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
* requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* * Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* * Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* * Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
* at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* * Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
* Nations.
* * Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
* Palestinians.
* * Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
* calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* * Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* * Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
* and calls for their immediate return.


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*for further research after 1996 to 2005; http://www.un.org/documents/scres.htm

[Hippo_Tron]

5. I was going to post the exact same thing

I think that everyone here does genuinely hope for peace, so there's no disagreement about that.

What seems to be happening is that most of DU has decided that they think that Israel's actions will ultimately help the goal of peace or will ultimately hurt the goal of peace. Honestly, I've thought about the subject extensively and I still don't have a damn clue whether Israel is right about this or not. One thing I do know, though, is that if we are going to achieve peace, Israel MUST come up with a better foreign policy than what it has now. Again, I'm not condemning or supporting their actions because as I said, I don't have a damn clue about whether they are right about it or not. But I know that there is a better solution to this problem that hasn't been found yet, and Israel must find that solution.

[breakaleg]

7. I think the problem with the debates people get into

through no fault of their own, is that they appear to have to choose sides. They are either on Israel's side or Hezbollah / Lebanon's side (I think those are 2 different sides!)

When in reality most people support the people on both sides. The real casualties in this action.

Just like not everyone in the US supports Bush, not everyone in Israel supports the military action by their leader and not everyone in Lebanon supports Hezbollah.

It's important to separate the people from the government. They aren't always linked.

I certainly don't always support every action my government takes.

[InaneAnanity]

8. I feel the same way

When you have a conflict thousands of years old, as this one is at its core, its pointless to determine right and wrong. Both sides have been wronged at different points, both sides have killed innocent people.

The only way to end this conflict is to have the two sides understand each other. That hasn't happened yet, but its the only shot. Theres no possible way to remove Muslims from the area since there are hundreds of millions of them around, and if Israel were destroyed they'd unleash their nuclear arsenal and quite possibly end humanity.

Don't worry about picking sides. Just be against killers of any ethnicity, religion, or motivation.

[Erika]

9. Philosophy and rhetoric is fine

But the fact remains that the Lebanese are taking over a 10 to 1 hit over Israelis. That has to figure in somewhere.