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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:55 PM
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Hasta la Victoria Siempre, Comrade Fidel
:cry:

My Spanish isn't very good, so I'll say it in English.

The Revolution will continue. In the 50's, you didn't
have the Internet. We do now, with 512 bit encryption.

I have to admit, your rule of the Cuban people was at
times brutal, but much less so than Batista. You gave
your people universal health care, universal education,
equality.

RIP, mi amigo

:patriot:
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:58 PM
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1. What? Is he dead?
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:59 PM
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2. Castro is not dead...n/t
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:00 AM
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3. Ummm... Fidel is neither dead nor cool
...whereas your post implies he is both.
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:06 AM
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5. According to news reports, he's damn close
And he's pretty cool compared to Batista.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:28 AM
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20. Well, George Bush is cool compared to Hitler. Says little. NT
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:16 AM
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9. We certainly can't have anyone thinking Castro is cool.
Challenging those propaganda induced a priori conclusions must never be an option.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:00 AM
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4. Uh, he ain't dead....YET, anyway
From what I understand, he is having intestinal surgery, and has given the reins to Raul.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/15167175.htm

He can't die. I want him to tell us how and why he worked with the Mafia to kill JFK.

Castro is an interesting guy, but it is a bit of a stretch to call him "amigo." Notwithstanding the excesses of the bastards that opposed him, his hands are not snow white, either. Plenty suffered because their rights weren't important enough to suit him. Deification of that man is an error, IMO.

FWIW.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:09 AM
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6. It's one guy's opinion with "amigo"
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 12:10 AM by Selatius
He was--let's be plain--brutal, but as far as degrees of brutality go, Batista was far worse. This, of course, doesn't excuse Castro from what he did, but I understand the view of him being thought of as better than Batista by some people.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:31 AM
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21. Yeah...but as I said, above
Bush is better than Hitler, but that doesn't really make him a prize by any stretch.

It's like someone who has been abused, trading in one abuser for another, and being happy because they are beaten less often.

There's plenty of sinning to atone for, there, in that life.
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:10 AM
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7. The Revolution isn't without innocent victims
Does 1776 ring a bell? Many innocents died w/o knowing
wtf for.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:36 AM
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14. Duplicate post
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 12:37 AM by MADem
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:37 AM
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15. Wow, ding, dong....the bell rings. And did they die happy???
One man's freedom is another man's shitstorm and hell. Those who were killed by that guy and did nothing wrong, well, their families are not assuaged by the lessons of 1776.
.
Who is the arbiter here? Certainly not those who had their lives snuffed out. You? The 'greater good' holds sway, perhaps?

I'm not a fan of the "two wrongs make a right" club.


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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:12 AM
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8. Cuba's achievments and America's Wars
"I don’t think that a fascist regime can be established in the United States. Serious mistakes have been made and injustices committed in the framework of its political system --many of them still persist-- but the American people still have a number of institutions and traditions, as well as educational, cultural and ethical values that would hardly allow that to happen. The risk exists in the international arena. The power and prerogatives of that country’s president are so extensive, and the economic, technological and military power network in that nation is so pervasive that due to circumstances that fully escape the will of the American people, the world is coming under the rule of Nazi concepts and methods."

http://www.marxists.org/history/cuba/archive/castro/2003/05/01.htm


In Miami and Washington they are now discussing where, how and when Cuba will be attacked or the problem of the Revolution will be solved.

For the moment, there is talk of economic measures that will further intensify the brutal blockade, but they still do not know which to choose, who they will resign themselves to alienating, and how effective these measures may be. There are very few left for them to choose from. They have already used up almost all of them.

A shameless scoundrel with the poorly chosen first name Lincoln, and the last name Díaz-Balart, an intimate friend and advisor of President Bush, has made this enigmatic statement to a Miami TV station: "I can’t go into details, but we’re trying to break this vicious cycle."

What methods are they considering to deal with this vicious cycle? Physically eliminating me with the sophisticated modern means they have developed, as Mr. Bush promised them in Texas before the elections? Or attacking Cuba the way they attacked Iraq?

If it were the former, it does not worry me in the least. The ideas for which I have fought all my life will not die, and they will live on for a long time.

If the solution were to attack Cuba like Iraq, I would suffer greatly because of the cost in lives and the enormous destruction it would bring on Cuba. But, it might turn out to be the last of this Administration’s fascist attacks, because the struggle would last a very long time.

The aggressors would not merely be facing an army, but rather thousands of armies that would constantly reproduce themselves and make the enemy pay such a high cost in casualties that it would far exceed the cost in lives of its sons and daughters that the American people would be willing to pay for the adventures and ideas of President Bush. Today, he enjoys majority support, but it is dropping, and tomorrow it could be reduced to zero.

The American people, the millions of highly cultivated individuals who reason and think, their basic ethical principles, the tens of millions of computers with which to communicate, hundreds of times more than at the end of the Viet Nam war, will show that you cannot fool all of the people, and perhaps not even part of the people, all of the time. One day they will put a straightjacket on those who need it before they manage to annihilate life on the planet.

On behalf of the one million people gathered here this May Day, I want to convey a message to the world and the American people:

We do not want the blood of Cubans and Americans to be shed in a war. We do not want a countless number of lives of people who could be friends to be lost in an armed conflict. But never has a people had such sacred things to defend, or such profound convictions to fight for, to such a degree that they would rather be obliterated from the face of the Earth than abandon the noble and generous work for which so many generations of Cubans have paid the high cost of the lives of many of their finest sons and daughters.

We are sustained by the deepest conviction that ideas are worth more than weapons, no matter how sophisticated and powerful those weapons may be.

Let us say like Che Guevara when he bid us farewell:

Ever onward to victory!
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:19 AM
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10. Perspecive! Thanks.
Link saved.

:toast:
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:44 AM
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16. Interesting words by Castro.
Thanks.

His analysis of the "international tyranny" shows he has an accurate measure of the neocon agenda.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:21 AM
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11. Hopefully instead of debating where on the brutality scale the next
dictator will be the Cuban people can rise up and have freedom from dictators left or right.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:22 AM
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12. Wonder if it's colon cancer?
If so, he may not be around much longer. But he's one tough SOB, thumbing his nose at us for 50 years and only 60 miles away.
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:27 AM
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13. Not at us, as American people
Just the Gummint. BIG difference.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:47 AM
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17. 90 miles....but still
He IS a tough SOB, but I still want to know what he had to do with Kennedy's murder.

We KNOW that is why no one will speak with him. Any other argument is foolish, and anyone who thinks otherwise is high as a kite. Or ideologically blinded.

We're not just talking to the fucking evil Russkie empire that SPONSORED and propped up that little island in the sun, we're doing massive business with them, we're trade partners, joint-venture pals, and we are taking their nicely white immigrants, criminals or no, hand over fist. Hell, half of the poor NYC and NJ neighborhoods are full of those light skinned, light haired, light eyed "commie fuckers"--or should we say "ex-commie fuckers."

They've taken over organized crime from our lazy, home grown mafiosi. So, we talk to the BOSS, but we don't talk to the proxy??? Makes no sense.

It's not Fidel's POLICIES that give us heartburn. In the big picture, those are unimportant.

It's that he killed Johnny. One day the story will be told....
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:15 AM
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18. They don't give a sh*t about Johnny ("they"probably offed him) --
"Relations between the United States and Cuba deteriorated rapidly as the Cuban government, in reaction to the U.S refusal to refine Soviet oil in refineries located in Cuba, expropriated U.S. properties, notably those belonging to the International Telephone and Telegraph Company (ITT) and the United Fruit Company." Wikipedia

Isn't it ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS about the MONEY?!?!?!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:27 AM
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19. Oh, I disagree--big time
The PRESIDENT CLUB is a very small club. It is a club where the guy in the catbird seat has a shitload of power. But he wants to be sure NO motherfucker who tried to off him will EVER get props. And he wants to use that disapproval to dissuade any other bastards from even THINKING about it.

It IS all about Johnny. Cuba is a nice little island, but it is NOT, and never has been, a "make or break" economic partner. It's icing on cake, at best.

And your rationale for a grudge??? Soviet oil is so ancient history. Come ON. Really.

Look at the big picture and the long view. Soviet oil is shit. Iraqi oil is the thing. Saudi oil is the thing. IRANIAN oil is the thing.

Get with modern times.....the stuff that needs the least refining is the stuff we love the best.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 04:21 AM
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22. Maybe the Soviet Oil is not such an issue now, but you can bet
that ITT and the United Fruit Company still intend to get theirs back as quick as you can say mohito, baby. And what's that I'm hearing about Sweet Crude miraculously discovered in Cuba recently? I'm just sayin', I believe our own government killed JFK. Maybe Castro had his grimy hand in it somehow. But that's not why our gov hates him. It's for what he took away from our megacorps. And adding insult to injury, he had the audacity to provide education and health care for every citizen. Hmmph!
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:54 AM
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23. That theory is off the deep end
While I agree with the consensus view of serious Kennedy assassination researchers that "Cubans" were involved in the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, it was not the Cuban government. It was the community of paramilitary Cubans whom the Eisenhower and Kennedy administration had trained to invade Cuba and overthrow Castro. They were infuriated by Kennedy's withdrawal of US military support for the Bay of Pigs invasion and his alleged "backing down" during the Cuban missile crisis.

I have never heard it alleged that Castro had anything to do with Kennedy's assassination.

As for your generally racist rant about Cubans taking over from the mafiosi, all I can say is that I'm speechless.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:57 AM
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24. I do not wish Castro any ill, but
a hero to me he is not.
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