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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:25 PM
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Radical tinfoilism
Do you feel you are being decived by what you are told and shown?

Are a series of seemingly random events bieng orchestrated with an overall purpose?

Would world govenrments kill people needlessly to further hidden agendas?

Do you know where the lie ends?

Are you sure?




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gkdmaths Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:26 PM
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1. I think what you really mean to ask is
do you smoke a ton of weed?

:7
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:28 PM
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2. man
damn!

you think they'll just delete it or move it to the lounge?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:31 PM
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4. Puhleeze....
Nothing gets moved to the lounge any more.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:59 PM
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11. I will not ask "why, should we?" but instead will already know..........
just that much way ahead of time that it wouldn't do any good :banghead:


What we are dealing with here folks is a serious breach in the spectrum of continuity , next stop the.......


http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushtwilightzone.htm
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gkdmaths Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:41 AM
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12. uh
:wtf:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 03:21 AM
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15. Yea, just think twenty (maybe thirty) steps ahead of them...........
Then back track and you will see why the dominoes were set like they were. Numbing the ole noggin (trying to escape reality in a stupor ) only places you farther into the confusion of an obscure reality.

With a question like would governments kill some of their own people in a ruse to get the nation involved in war is an old ploy that is older than any history written.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:30 PM
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3. Actually I do
I am reading The Outlaw Bank right now. Picked it up again after starting it about a year ago. Thought it would enlighten me on what is going on right now.

The book details how the Mossad and Gulf State intelligence work together. It is very convoluted and difficult to understand. There are definately dark sources at work.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:32 PM
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5. Answers...
Yes.

No.

It depends on the government. Also, if government X, Y or Z has a hidden agenda to achieve and killing people achieves that agenda, technically they are not needless deaths. A minor semantic point I realize, but one that should be brought up.

Yes.

Pretty sure.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:35 PM
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6. Without regard to any specific point you may be trying to make...
> Do you feel you are being deceived by what you are told and shown?

  Almost always. Just about the only mouths I trust, now days, are the ones I kiss.

> Are a series of seemingly random events being orchestrated with an overall purpose?

  Maybe.

> Would world governments kill people needlessly to further hidden agendas?

  Most certainly. There is a certain kind of twisted neo-Machiavellian mindset (not necessarily limited to Neo-Conservatism) which believes there is a certain nobility of thought to the practice of extinguishing innocent lives as though they were, literally, pawns in some "grand" chess game. It is the height of sophomoric psychosis we see in a good portion of the current Middle East conflict.

> Do you know where the lie ends?

  No. I feel like an astronaut in training in the crucifix position in one of those concentric-ring machines that spins you on every axis. It's like living in a Philip K. Dick novel.

> Are you sure?

  No.

PB
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:37 PM
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7. Often; rarely; of course; I've got a rough idea; more or less. (nt)
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:41 PM
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8. I support it.
Radical tinfoilism.

When you start going crazy and make a different hat for each day of the the week though... that's a little weird.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:47 PM
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9. write a letter to Karl Rove
he might tell you what is really going on?
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:50 PM
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10. Here was an early hint from this admin...
'She Was Fighting to the Death'
Details Emerging of W. Va. Soldier's Capture and Rescue

By Susan Schmidt and Vernon Loeb
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, April 3, 2003; Page A01

Pfc. Jessica Lynch, rescued Tuesday from an Iraqi hospital, fought fiercely and shot several enemy soldiers after Iraqi forces ambushed the Army's 507th Ordnance Maintenance Company, firing her weapon until she ran out of ammunition, U.S. officials said yesterday.

Lynch, a 19-year-old supply clerk, continued firing at the Iraqis even after she sustained multiple gunshot wounds and watched several other soldiers in her unit die around her in fighting March 23, one official said. The ambush took place after a 507th convoy, supporting the advancing 3rd Infantry Division, took a wrong turn near the southern city of Nasiriyah.

"She was fighting to the death," the official said. "She did not want to be taken alive."

Lynch was also stabbed when Iraqi forces closed in on her position, the official said, noting that initial intelligence reports indicated that she had been stabbed to death. No official gave any indication yesterday, however, that Lynch's wounds had been life-threatening.

Several officials cautioned that the precise sequence of events is still being determined, and that further information will emerge as Lynch is debriefed. Reports thus far are based on battlefield intelligence, they said, which comes from monitored communications and from Iraqi sources in Nasiriyah whose reliability has yet to be assessed. Pentagon officials said they had heard "rumors" of Lynch's heroics but had no confirmation.

There was no immediate indication whether Lynch's fellow soldiers killed in the ambush were among the 11 bodies found by the Special Operations commandos who rescued Lynch at Saddam Hussein Hospital in Nasiriyah. U.S. officials said that at least some of the bodies are believed to be those of U.S. servicemen. Two were found in the hospital's morgue, and nine were found in shallow graves on the grounds outside.

Seven soldiers from the 507th are still listed as missing in action following the ambush. Five others, four men and a woman, were taken captive after the attack. Video footage of the five has been shown on Iraqi television, along with grisly pictures of at least four soldiers killed in the battle.

Lynch, of Palestine, W.Va., arrived yesterday at a U.S. military hospital in Germany. She was in "stable" condition, with broken arms and a broken leg in addition to the gunshot and stab wounds, sources said. Other sources said both legs and one arm were broken. Victoria Clarke, a Pentagon spokeswoman, gave no specifics of Lynch's condition, telling reporters only that she is "in good spirits and being treated for injuries."

But one military officer briefed on her condition said that while Lynch was conscious and able to communicate with the U.S. commandos who rescued her, "she was pretty messed up." Last night Lynch spoke by telephone with her parents, who said she was in good spirits, but hungry and in pain.

"Talk about spunk!" said Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), whom military officials had briefed on the rescue. "She just persevered. It takes that and a tremendous faith that your country is going to come and get you."

One Army official said that it could be some time before Lynch is reunited with her family, since experience with those taken prisoner since the Vietnam War indicates that soldiers held in captivity need time to "decompress" and reflect on their ordeal with the help of medical professionals.

"It's real important to have decompression time before they get back with their families to assure them that they served their country honorably," the official said. "She'll meet with Survival, Escape, Resistance and Evasion psychologists. These are medical experts in dealing with this type of things."

At Central Command headquarters in Qatar, Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks showed a brief night-vision video clip of commandos rushing Lynch, on a stretcher, to a Black Hawk helicopter. Later, television networks showed footage of her arriving in Germany.

One intriguing account of Lynch's captivity came from an unidentified Iraqi pharmacist at Saddam Hussein Hospital who told Sky News, a British network, that he had cared for her and heard her crying about wanting to be reunited with her family.

"She said every time, about wanting to go home," said the pharmacist, who was filmed at the hospital wearing a white medical coat over a black T-shirt. "She knew that the American Army and the British were on the other side of the river in Nasiriyah city. . . . She said, 'Maybe this minute the American Army come and get me.' " The only injuries the pharmacist said he was aware of were to Lynch's leg, but there was no way to evaluate his statement.

Lynch's rescue at midnight local time Tuesday was a classic Special Operations raid, with U.S. commandos in Black Hawk helicopters engaging Iraqi forces on their way in and out of the medical compound, defense officials said.

Acting on information from CIA operatives, they said, a Special Operations force of Navy SEALs, Army Rangers and Air Force combat controllers touched down in blacked-out conditions. An AC-130 gunship, able to fire 1,800 rounds a minute from its 25mm cannon, circled overhead, as did a reconnaissance aircraft providing video imagery of the operation as it unfolded.

"There was shooting going in, there was some shooting going out," said one military officer briefed on the operation. "It was not intensive. There was no shooting in the building, but it was hairy, because no one knew what to expect. When they got inside, I don't think there was any resistance. It was fairly abandoned."

Meanwhile, U.S. Marines advanced in Nasiriyah to divert whatever Iraqi forces might still have been in the area.

The officer said that Special Operations forces found what looked like a "prototype" Iraqi torture chamber in the hospital's basement, with batteries and metal prods.

Briefing reporters at Central Command headquarters, Brooks said the hospital apparently was being used as a military command post. Commandos whisked Lynch to the Black Hawk helicopter that had landed inside the hospital compound, he said, while others remained behind to clear the hospital.

The announcement of the raid was delayed for more than an hour because some U.S. troops were on the ground longer than anticipated, Brooks said. "We wanted to preserve the safety of the forces," he said.

Correspondent Alan Sipress in Qatar and staff writer Dana Priest contributed to this report.
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LunaSea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:05 AM
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14. More hints...
Russert: The Times of London did a graphic, which I want to put on the screen for you and our viewers. This is it. This is a fortress. This is a very much a complex, multi-tiered, bedrooms and offices on the top, as you can see, secret exits on the side and on the bottom, cut deep to avoid thermal detection so when our planes fly to try to determine if any human beings are in there, it's built so deeply down and embedded in the mountain and the rock it's hard to detect. And over here, valleys guarded, as you can see, by some Taliban soldiers. A ventilation system to allow people to breathe and to carry on. An arms and ammunition depot. And you can see here the exits leading into it and the entrances large enough to drive trucks and cars and even tanks. And it's own hydroelectric power to help keep lights on, even computer systems and telephone systems. It's a very sophisticated operation.



Rumsfeld: Oh, you bet. This is serious business. And there's not one of those. There are many of those. And they have been used very effectively. And I might add, Afghanistan is not the only country that has gone underground. Any number of countries have gone underground. The tunneling equipment that exists today is very powerful. It's dual use. It's available across the globe. And people have recognized the advantages of using underground protection for themselves.


A few weeks after the "Meet the Press" interview, US special forces and their Afghan allies occupied Tora Bora. They painstakingly searched Gree Khil mountain and the surrounding area. They found no underground fortress, no hydro-electric power plant, no 2000-room hotel, no ant farm, no iron doors, no ventilating shafts. The troglodyte Lair of Bin Laden turned out to be mythic.

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid3.htm
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:07 AM
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13. Sure!
I get frustrated with the ignorance of history demonstrated by people who are incredulous that and election could be rigged for instance. The majority of human history, and people in the world past and present, have not lived in democracies, and a vast number have lived under authoritarian rule, with events orchestrated by powerful elite ruling societies. That this should all the sudden be rendered irrelevant and meaningless today because "Hey, we're Americans" is exactly the arrogance and stupidity in which authoritarian states rise and flourish.
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