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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:45 AM
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The Cost Of Being Israel's Suggar Daddy. Why Do We Do It?
The costs of beng Israel's biggest (almost only) supporter are being felt everyday.

It has made us hated throuthout the Middle East. Far more so than any other American action (at least until Iraq). The thousands that died on 9/11 were part of the cost we have been paying for this lopsided coddling of Israel. The victims of the Seattle Jewish center shooting were part of that cost (yes, that was a politicaly motivated terrorist attack). The hundreds of Marines lost in the Beruit bombing were part of the cost. And that is just to mention a few.

The growing regional conflict in the Middle East threatens to erupt into a massive conflagration set to kill people by the hundreds of thousands. Also part of the cost.

As Israel has become more militant and beligerent, we have sold them every weapon they needed to kill Arabs. The Arabs in question are well aware of who is supplying the weapons that are killing them. And guess what, they want to kill us right back, even when it is our proxy doing the killing.

I firmly believe that Israel does not deserve the kind of support we give them. They do not deserve some special status above all other nations we deal with. The costs are too great and the benefits virtually non-existant. We gain nothing but hate for our totally uneven support of Israel.

We should cut all funding to this state NOW. They have forfeited any support that they may have deserved by embracing collective punishment of the Lebonese people, a war crime under the Geneva Conventions.

I for one will be mighty fucking pissed off if I or anyone I care about ever get killed because of our support of Israel. They do not deserve the supoport, nor should Americans be paying the price of that support. It should stop immediately.

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Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing that given to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct economic and military assistance since 1976, and is the largest recipient in total since World War Two, to the tune of well over $140 billion (in 2004 dollars). Israel receives about $3 billion in direct assistance each year, roughly one-fifth of the foreign aid budget, and worth about $500 a year for every Israeli. This largesse is especially striking since Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to that of South Korea or Spain.

Other recipients get their money in quarterly installments, but Israel receives its entire appropriation at the beginning of each fiscal year and can thus earn interest on it. Most recipients of aid given for military purposes are required to spend all of it in the US, but Israel is allowed to use roughly 25 per cent of its allocation to subsidise its own defence industry. It is the only recipient that does not have to account for how the aid is spent, which makes it virtually impossible to prevent the money from being used for purposes the US opposes, such as building settlements on the West Bank. Moreover, the US has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems, and given it access to such top-drawer weaponry as Blackhawk helicopters and F-16 jets. Finally, the US gives Israel access to intelligence it denies to its Nato allies and has turned a blind eye to Israel’s acquisition of nuclear weapons.

Washington also provides Israel with consistent diplomatic support. Since 1982, the US has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members. It blocks the efforts of Arab states to put Israel’s nuclear arsenal on the IAEA’s agenda. The US comes to the rescue in wartime and takes Israel’s side when negotiating peace. The Nixon administration protected it from the threat of Soviet intervention and resupplied it during the October War. Washington was deeply involved in the negotiations that ended that war, as well as in the lengthy ‘step-by-step’ process that followed, just as it played a key role in the negotiations that preceded and followed the 1993 Oslo Accords. In each case there was occasional friction between US and Israeli officials, but the US consistently supported the Israeli position. One American participant at Camp David in 2000 later said: ‘Far too often, we functioned . . . as Israel’s lawyer.’ Finally, the Bush administration’s ambition to transform the Middle East is at least partly aimed at improving Israel’s strategic situation.

This extraordinary generosity might be understandable if Israel were a vital strategic asset or if there were a compelling moral case for US backing. But neither explanation is convincing. One might argue that Israel was an asset during the Cold War. By serving as America’s proxy after 1967, it helped contain Soviet expansion in the region and inflicted humiliating defeats on Soviet clients like Egypt and Syria. It occasionally helped protect other US allies (like King Hussein of Jordan) and its military prowess forced Moscow to spend more on backing its own client states. It also provided useful intelligence about Soviet capabilities.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:47 AM
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1. Good question...
it seems to be the one issue on the Hill that most everybody can agree on, from the far righties to the far lefties.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:52 AM
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2. Israel is US's most reliable allie in the region which is dominated
by Europe and Russia. There's oil and other resources there.
In other words: yes, Israel is a vital strategic asset.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:04 AM
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7. Israel has no oil.
The Gulf nations provide the US and the world with oil, and were doing it before Israel even existed.

Are you saying that Israel is protecting the Arabian oil fields? Or is Israel the big stick that the US likes to shake at the Arabs every so often just to keep them in line?


2.
a. Important or essential in relation to a plan of action: a strategic withdrawal.
b. Essential to the effective conduct of war: strategic materials.
c. Highly important to an intended objective: The staff discussed strategic marketing factors.

3. Intended to destroy the military potential of an enemy: strategic bombing.

And if Israel is such a strategic asset, why did the US just sell 6 billion dollars in military equipment, to include Abrams tanks to several Arab countries.

I think it's a new Bush plan "we let them fight each other over there, so that my friends in the defense industry can make money over here."


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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:52 AM
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3. I've asked this question here
So far no one has offered an answer. I'm still waiting.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:53 AM
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4. You're right about
the absurd level of funding we give to Israel, but wrong on just about everything else. Israel is by no means the only reason we are hated and mistrusted in the mideast. We have overthrown democratically elected governments (Iran, in 1953) and supported tyrants in our lust to control oil. Those two facts figure mightily into the equation. In addition, the killings in Seattle were the act of a deranged man, not a political motivated terrorist attack.

So yes, our support of Israel is a large factor regarding how we are viewed in the mideast, but to ignore the history of our other actions in that region, and focus solely on Israel, is inaccurate.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:01 AM
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5. Actually, U.S. Image In The Mideast Was Pretty Good
Especially since the Suez moment. The Arab countries emerging from years of colonization felt affinity with a country that was also colonized. That was why the U.S. was able to get away with toppling Iran and supporting repressive regimes back then. But then our support for Israel in 1967 and later in 1973 reversed that positive trend, and the continued support for the status quo in Israel is now more of a liability than an asset.
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:46 AM
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16. true
My family is from Lebanon and the USA blew the support of millions and millions of Arabs by kowtowing to Israel.

Before 1967, there was a totally different climate toward the USA in the Middle East. I still can't believe we were so stupid.It really tells you who controls the media and government here.

We give Israel a fortune and wonder why the Arab countries resent getting shot with our weapons. Maybe we should keep some of the money before Israel is richer than we are:

Mr Netanyahu predicts that within a decade Israel, with a population of about seven million, will be among the world’s ten wealthiest countries. It is in the top 20 already
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:47 AM
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17. Hmmmm....
...so why do they need our aid?
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:53 AM
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19. It's A Wonder Why To This Day The American University
in Beirut has never been attacked by any militant, despite the years of violence in that country. Unlike Israel, that place has been a symbol of inclusion of the different cultures inhabiting that part of the world, instead of an institution that promotes division and Western hegemony.
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:24 PM
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27. Gorgeous campus
The campus there is so beautiful. My Mother went there and I used to walk through it almost everyday.
The American Community School in Beirut celebrated it's centennial last year. Many of my old classmates went but I was ill and couldn't go. I will always regret that now.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:01 AM
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6. I never claimed it was the ONLY Reason. It IS A huge reason.
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 09:02 AM by DistressedAmerican
Do you deny that is is a huge factor? I never claimed exclusivity. The other costs you mention are the costs of other policies. Not the suport of Istrael which most certainly DOES make us many enemies.

The killings in Seatlle WERE politically motivated terrorism. Have you any evidence that he was just deranged? He has stated quite clearly before opening fire and after arrest that he was MOTIVATED BY OUR SUPPORT OF ISREAL. His words. I did not make them up.

You can deny that until the cows come home. He is alive and he has told everyone EXACTALLY Why he did it. You are so desperate not to see it as a reaction to our policies, you throw out the totally unsupported "he was just nuts" crap. Sorry it deos not wash given the stated motivations of the shooter. Like you know better than he why he acted?

Any other ill founded objections to my post?
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:09 AM
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8. The aid is way disproportionate, DA, but still...
... I do think it's important to lend support to the only stable democracy in the Middle East. This in no way means that aid should be in the form of a blank check, financially, politically or otherwise. Had the U.S. given the fledgling Lebanese democratic government half the support and aid we funnel to Israel, perhaps we wouldn't have the bloody crisis there we have now.

Further, look at the billions upon billions of dollars we have spent in Iraq to install a puppet democracy which at this point looks doomed to failure. We've spent how many more billions over the years to prop up military dictatorships, oppressive theocratic rulers, etc in the ME and often against the wishes of the people? How many times have we turned a blind eye to what is happening, for instance, in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or Yemen? Since when do the citizens of Jordan get to vote? Most of the ME countries Bush considers our allies are not democracies at all, yet -- and ironically enough -- the countries we and Israel chose to invade such as Iraq and Lebanon were either secular or democratic governments. Go figure. We speak out of both sides of our mouth, spreading war throughout the ME but undercutting those very democracies and secular governments we presume to wish for the ME, then wonder why Arab nations don't trust us.

So no, I think it is important to support Israel but not unconditionally. When the Israeli government does appalling things they must be called on it. Problem is, you can only do that when you hold the moral high ground, which we do not. To condemn Israel for the kind of atrocities we have committed an hundredfold in Iraq would seem rather hypocritical. We as a country live in a glass house, DA, so we'd better be mighty careful where we throw those stones.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:13 AM
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9. Our Immoral and Illegal Actions Do Not Mitigate Those By Nations We Prop
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 09:14 AM by DistressedAmerican
up. I have called my government out for their war crimes. I hardly see it as hypocritical to call out Israel on its blatant war crimes. I sure as hell do not think we should be funding or amring them to commit those war crimes.

"We as a country live in a glass house, DA, so we'd better be mighty careful where we throw those stones."

I throw rocks at all of the above. We all should. Just because it is our house does not mean it does not need knowked down to get rid of the vermin.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:25 AM
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12. I'm not saying two wrongs make a right
Nor was I personally calling YOU a hypocrite, but our government, okay? But until all of us are willing to stop paying the taxes which in turn are used to buy bombs and missles that are killing thousands of innocent civilians around the world (not just in Lebanon), what would you suggest? To truly stop the madness means we would have to muster the national will to put a stop to this. Hell, we can't mount even a show of pathetic opposition to this government, the kind that results in general strikes and people taking to the streets. We can't even get the elected representatives from our own party to speak out. What does "calling people out" do? Do you think they give a rat's ass what we think? We can scream all we want but until our dissatisfaction takes a more concrete form ain't nothing going to happen to change anything. Bet on it.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:16 AM
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10. HELP NEW ORLEANS!!!
We have bombed NO ONE!

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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 10:24 AM
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21. You just said a mouthful, Baby..(hope you don't mind if I call you 'baby')
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 10:52 AM
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23. Yet.
nm
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:31 PM
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28. Rebuilding the gulf coast would be an excellent use of our armed forces
especially the National Guard. A lot of wise people have said so, but nobody ever listened. Tough luck, New Orleans.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:23 AM
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11. 3 billion a year to Israel, while our citizens go without health care..
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 09:33 AM by truth2power
In addition to the unspeakable horror they're inflicting on the Lebanese people. Bush complains about Iran shipping bombs to Hezbollah, while providing the same to Israel, so they can kill women and children in great numbers, and UN observers as an added bonus. Oh, I forgot...there was a Hezbollah nearby.

Look....a Hezbollah! Flatten that city! No....over there... Blech!

Oh, and it's about WATER, among other things. We're being lied to, again. What a surprise!


edit> To say thank you for speaking out, DA.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:53 AM
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26. The opposite of what you say is true.....
The main reason the US supports Israel is because they are Jewish and persecuted and they have a very strong group of lobbyists in DC pushing their cause.

The question is why is the US defending a country who habitually go against all international rules and guidelines for human decency. Israel gets away with a heck of a lot more than any other county world wide because they are "defending their right to exist". It's not ok to call them terrorists even when their behaviour backs up that claim.

You have it backwards.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:39 AM
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14. "what's israel ever done for you?" and "Would you die for israel?" are
two questions I always ask freepers in discussions.

I get a LOT of dead air after those questions.
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:41 AM
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15. Answers: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land -- see link
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 10:12 AM
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20. Because our economy is based on warring and a foothold in Israel
gives us endless opportunities to for "protecting" Israel, which translates into warring and plundering. Good fer bidness.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 10:50 AM
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22. Have you got any theories?
If, as you claim, supporting Israel is the behavior that has caused us to be hated in the Middle East far more than any other action (until the invasion of Iraq)...

If the American deaths on 9/11 were, in part, a result of the US support for Israel...

If the other American deaths you mentioned along with, as you claim, many others, are also part of the cost of supporting Israel...

And, if, furthermore, the benefits America receives for this support of Israel are virtually non-existent...

If in fact, the only thing the US gains for it's support of Israel is hate, and nothing else...

If supporting Israel not only does not serve the interests of the United States in any way, but, rather, is a contributing factor to the deaths of thousands of Americans, why is there near unanimous support from American lawmakers for continuing to support Israel?

Why would otherwise clear-thinking progressives in Congress like Russ Feingold and progressives running for office like Ned Lamont make statements affiriming the importance of supporting Israel?

Do you have a theory as to why such seemingly incongruous behavior is being exhibited?

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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:28 AM
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24. Israel is not an ally, it is a drain, and a s noose around our necks.

This has been demonstrated time and time again, the only thing is the huge amount of influence the foregn lobby AIPAC has is hard to get out of its tenticles.

The best thing we could do is cut Israel off entirely, I bet they would not be such a bunch of beligerant criminals then.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:35 AM
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25. If it is true that Israel cannot exist without US aid
Then I submit that the Jewish state should be moved to the continental US. It would be cheaper and easier for the US to defend, and it wouldn't be "surrounded by enemies."

It could be done right this time, buying the land from the Americans of that area. Americans are far less unreasonable about having that particular patch of land. They don't live in a "Muslim" or "Christian" state and most would not care about the Jewish state in their midst. Granted a few would hate that it was there and might even try to destroy it, but they would be far easier for the US to thwart. The rest would just go back to watching American Idol and not give two shits.



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