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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:22 PM
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Israel Accused of Using Illegal Weapons (Dahr Jamail)
by Dahr Jamail
Alternet

http://alternet.org/story/39628/

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"We are seeing people that are all blackened, with charred flesh that is not burned by normal bombs and flames," he said. "I am sure this is a special bomb. They are using incendiary weapons on civilians in the south. We are seeing these patients."

The doctor also told IPS that the Israelis are again using suction bombs, which they used heavily during the Lebanese civil war.

"They are using suction bombs that implode our buildings," he added, "With implosive bombs... instead of the glass blasted out, it is inside the building. These kill everyone inside the building. There are rarely survivors when they use these bombs."

Bilal Masri, assistant director of the Beirut Government University Hospital (BGUH) had told IPS earlier that "many of the injured in the south are suffering from the impact of incendiary white phosphorous."...

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:32 PM
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1. About the 20th posting on DU - still with no pathology report or science
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 09:33 PM by papau
but if planted to start a flame war, it won't

But you may get 100 DU responses saying they "believe" and Israeli is "yet again a war criminal".

And few on DU will disagree as we lead the Democratic party to victory in future elections based on better morals as we support terrorists and call them freedom fighters.

And the Democratic Party better listen to these folks on DU because they are the net roots that has no bias and sees events clearly and can therefore govern better, and indeed these DU folks can convince 51% of our fellow citizens that that claim is true.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:57 PM
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5. The US is using these weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan
why is it hard to believe that Israel is using them in Lebanon?

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:27 AM
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9. US uses phosphorous shells - no "outlawed chemical weapons"
The phosphorous shells are called Willy Pete by US Army folks and is used to illuminate enemy positions in the dark and such use is considered legitimate. It is not outlawed and is a "conventional" weapon.

Phosphorus does burn on contact, melting down to the bone.

If the Israeli Air Force had a lot of such weapons - which no one says it does - why would it drop the white phosphorus indiscriminately, and in massive quantities on the city's neighborhoods? Indeed all fighting against missile launch sites is in the daytime because Hez is afraid of the exact spot fired from being given away by the easily detected heat/light trail at night, and therefore doesn't fire at night. Airport fuel tank destruction does not require phosphorous shells illumination.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:45 AM
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10. They are also using thermobaric weapons
which is also consider a 'conventional' weapon, my ass.



MARINES QUIET ABOUT BRUTAL NEW WEAPON - War is hell. But it’s worse when the Marines bring out their new urban combat weapon, the SMAW-NE. Which may be why they’re not talking about it, much.

This is a version of the standard USMC Shoulder Mounted Assault Weapon but with a new warhead. Described as NE - "Novel Explosive"- it is a thermobaric mixture which ignites the air, producing a shockwave of unparalleled destructive power, especially against buildings.

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It proved highly effective in the battle for Fallujah. This from the Marine Corps Gazette, July edition: "SMAW gunners became expert at determining which wall to shoot to cause the roof to collapse and crush the insurgents fortified inside interior rooms."

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001944.html
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:09 PM
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7. The reports sound credible to me...
...Here's a telephone interview with Dahr Jamail on Democracy Now:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ld6cOJqyPqY&search=lebanese%20bombing%20

I don't get the impression he's just making stuff up.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:11 AM
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8. photographer/Blogger Dahr is't a pathologist - and always assumes Israel
is telling lies. He says he doesn't speak the "language well enough to get by on (his) own, (and must) hire a driver, interpreter, and fixer"

For example "I am in Hezbollah because I care,"... -from 7/26, and

from 7/28..."Israel, after claiming to have control of the small southern city of Bint Jbail, merely a few kilometers inside Lebanon, lost at least 13 soldiers there recently. The official count of nine deaths is widely believed here to be false."...

"Lost at least 13 soldiers" - reporting based on what verified facts?

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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:42 PM
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2. Eventually the truth will be known.........
whether it is or is not true. The use of chemical weapons by Israel would be the ultimate hypocrisy.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:54 PM
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3. Oddly, the truth will be known, IMHO, only if the
claims are true.

But if the claims are never proven true, the bits that support the POV that some novel, banned weapon was used will echo around the net and some print media. There'll be a hardcore set of people that will forever claim it's true, and charge those that don't believe with excessive kool-aid consumption.

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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:56 PM
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4. A suction bomb? They can't even get their propaganda right!

I mean, if you're going to make something up, at least get the science right.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:59 PM
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6. aka: Vacuum bomb
aka: Fuel-air bomb

aka: Bunker buster

aka: thermobaric weapon


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