Hezbollah's targets 2000-early 06 have been military, not civilian

[Minstrel Boy]

Here is a list of Hezbollah's attacks since Israel's withdrawl from Lebanon in May 2000 until the present escalation, compiled by the America Israel Cooperative Enterprise, using Israeli government sources. (Note that the two atrocities committed upon civilians are attributed to a "Hezbollah-linked Palestinian terrorist cell" and not to the Hezbollah militia itself.)

I'm not excusing the shedding of blood, but there is a qualitative difference between making war on military targets and indiscriminately murdering civilians. And I have to admit, historically, Hezbollah appears more discriminating in its target selection than the IDF. Can a military be "terrorized"? Isn't this more properly called warfare?

But see if you can discern a pattern:

27 May 2006 - An IDF soldier was wounded when Katyushas were fired at an army base at Mt. Meron in the upper Galilee.

27 Dec 2005 - A branch of a Palestinian organization connected to Al-Qaida fired 6 Katyushas, damaging a house in Kiryat Shmona and a house in Metulla. In response, the IAF attacked a training base of the Popular Front, south of Beirut.

21 Nov 2005 - An attempt to kidnap an IDF soldier was foiled when paratroopers patrolling near Rajar village discerned a Hezbollah unit approaching. Private David Markovitz opened fire, killing all four. In a heavy attack of mortars and Katyusha rockets that ensued, nine soldiers and and two civilians were injured.

29 Jun 2005 - More than 20 mortars were fired from across the border. Cpl. Uzi Peretz of the Golani Brigade was killed and four soldiers wounded, including the unit's doctor. Fire was exchanged and helicopters and planes attacked five Hezbollah outposts in the Reches Ramim area.

24 Apr 2005 - Several explosive devices exploded near the Lebanese-Israeli border, in the Mount Dov area. Officials believe the devices were planted by Hezbollah, but this was not confirmed. No injuries were reported in the explosions.

7 Apr 2005 - Two Israeli-Arabs from the village of Rajar near the Israel-Lebanon border were kidnapped by Hezbollah operatives and held in captivity for four days. The men, identified as Muki Ben-Jamal and Nuef Maharj Ben-Ali, said they were interrogated by their captors who wanted information on Israel. They were later released. Israeli officials did not believe that any security information had been compromised.

9 Jan 2005 - An explosive device was detonated against an IDF patrol at Nahal Sion. One Israeli soldier was killed, and a UN officer was killed.

20 Jul 2004 - Hezbollah sniper fired at an IDF post in the western sector of the Israeli-Lebanese border. Two IDF soldiers were killed.

7 May 2004 - Fire in the Mt. Dov sector. IDF soldier Dennis Leminov was killed, and two other soldiers were severely wounded. The IDF returned fire.

19 Jan 2004 - An anti-tank missile was fired at IDF D9 while neutralizing explosive charges near Zari't. An IDF soldier, Yan Rotzenski, was killed and another soldier was severely wounded.

6 Oct 2003 - Staff Sgt. David Solomonov was killed when Hezbollah fired at an IDF force south of the =46atma Gate in the eastern sector. In addition, the Hezbollah fired missiles and rockets at an IDF post in the Reches Ramim area.

10 Aug 2003 - Haviv Dadon, 16, of Shlomi, was struck in the chest and killed by shrapnel from an anti-aircraft shell fired by Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon. Four others were wounded.

20 Jul 2003 - Hezbollah snipers fired on an Israeli outpost near Chetula, killing two Israeli soldiers. The IDF retaliated with tank fire directed at a Hezbollah position, killing one operative manning the post. That night, there were multiple Israeli flights over Lebanon, two of which generated powerful sonic booms over Beirut.

7 May 2003 - Hezbollah attacked IDF positions in the Sheba' farms with heavy rocket, mortar, and small arms fire. One Israeli soldier was killed and five others were wounded in the attack. Lebanese authorities asserted that the Hezbollah firing had been preceded by an Israeli army foot patrol crossing the Blue Line.

5 May 2003 - A cycle of armed exchanges across the Blue Line began. Israel carried out more than 20 air sorties over the country. Subsequently, Hezbollah fired several anti-aircraft rounds with shrapnel landing inside Israel.

22 Mar 2003 - Hezbollah fired rockets and mortars at Israeli army positions in the Sheba' farms and adjacent areas. This attack followed eight incursions into Lebanese airspace by Israeli aircraft.

6 Jan 2003 - Hezbollah fired anti aircraft shells in the vicinity of Birait in the western sector of the Lebanese border. No one was hurt and no damage was caused.

29 Aug 2002 - Fire at an IDF post in the Mt. Dov sector. IDF soldier Ofer Misali was killed, and two other soldiers were lightly wounded.

12 Mar 2002 - Infiltration: In a shooting attack on the Shlomi- Metzuba route. Six Israelis civilians were killed, among them IDF officer Lt. German Rojkov.

7 Aug 2001 - Two houses belonging to senior members of the former Israeli-allied South Lebanon Army militia were blown up using explosive devices. One of the houses belonged to Robin Abboud; the other to Samir Raslan. Hezbollah is suspected.

28 Apr 2001 - A 60 year-old Israeli man was found stabbed to death in Kfar Ba'aneh, near Carmiel in Galilee. The terrorists responsible for the attack were apprehended in July. Six members of a Hezbollah-linked Palestinian terrorist cell responsible for the murder were arrested in July. The murder was the initiation rite of the organization.

14 Apr 2001 - Fire at an IDF post in the Mt. Dov sector. IDF soldier Elad Litvak was killed.

1 Apr 2001 - A 42 year-old Israeli woman was stabbed to death in Haifa. Her murder was the initiation rite of a terrorist cell, whose members were apprehended in July. Six members of a Hezbollah-linked Palestinian terrorist cell responsible for the murder, originally thought to be criminally motivated, were arrested in July. The murder was the initiation rite of one of the terrorists into the organization.

16 Feb 2001- Fire at an IDF convoy on Mt. Dov. IDF soldier Elad Shneor was killed, and three other soldiers were wounded.

26 Nov 2000 - A charge was detonated near an IDF convoy. IDF soldier Khalil Taher was killed and two other soldiers were wounded.

7 Oct 2000 - Kidnapping: Three IDF soldiers: Adi Avitan, Omer Soued and Binyamin Avraham were kidnapped by the Hezbollah from the Mt. Dov sector.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

1. Less death there

Then drive by's in L A

[papau]

2. Nonsense - random missiles are civilian population targeted - if they miss

does Hez get a gold star?

Of course Hezbollah in Lebanon, as Iran’s forward military arm against Israel, funded the Hezbollah cells that in 2004, to take one year, in the Gaza Strip and in Judea and Samaria perpetrated 68 terrorist attacks in which 24 Israelis were murdered and 52 wounded. But this does not fall under the rules for a "kill" by Hezbollah because it was not the Lebanese Hezbollah crossing the border to do the murder, just Lebanese Hezbollah money, weapons, and leadership were involved - heck how do you tell when a Hezbollah militia is working behind lines - and when the folks doing the killing are "just a Hezbollah linked Palestinian terrorist cell" and does it matter?

Does anyone care that there that there is a flow of arms and money from Iran to the Hezbollah through Syria and into Lebanon, done with the assistence of the Lebanese and Syrian governments? Two countries plus a terrorist "militia" attacking a country because the do not want the country or its Jewish population to exist. And this makes Hez the good guys how?

Perhaps killing captives does not count as a bad - at least not as bad as what those evil Jews do - so when Hez killed the 3 they captured on October 7, 2000 -Sgt. Adi Avitan 22 years old, Staff Sgt. Benyamin Avraham 21 years old, and Staff Sgt. Omar Sawaid 27 years old married with two children - it did not tarnish that white hat folks are trying to put on the terrorist activities of Hez? Why should folks on DU be less biased than the UN which gave Hez the uniforms and vehicles carrying the UNIFIL insignia that were used to kidnap the three?

Shelling, mortars, missiles, Katyusha rockets and rounds from automatic weapons that are all ineffective in killing anyone makes the shooter a nicer fellow that the folks being shot at?

Three thousand (3000) terrorist attacks on Israelis each year do not count because most are stopped and because we assume it is not Hez working behind enemy lines - even when Hez claims that they are and claims credit for the kill – because on DU we see it as "just a Hezbollah linked Palestinian terrorist cell" doing the attack - and God forbid we discuss the suicide killings that Hez claims credit for.

But who am I to disagree that Hez is discriminating in its target selection given that shooting missiles for terror by definition means means something like 10,000 to one chance against hurting a military person rather than a civilian - and the missile shooter not giving a damn who gets killed - that is not really important compared to the good luck that resulted in only a few being killed - bad luck for Hez makes them the good guys - love the logic.

I believe the Israeli bombing of homes to get leaders is a lousy tactic, hurting too many civilians that are real civilians - but how quickly we forget who wants to murder who, and who is defending themselves.

Asking who started the violence and who simply responded and are simply defending their nation is a pointless exercise unless we can agree a calm starts a new round - and the calm following the pull out from Lebanon, and the calm following the pull out from Gaza lead to seeing Hez and Hamas "starting" new violence with Israel as the responder. Perhaps folks just like to say that Israel wanted to be attacked - sort of like saying the lady who was raped "wanted it".

Sadly Hez and Hamas say they will never stop until there is no Jewish Israel or any Jews - but some on the left do not care about Hez/Hamas positions.

[Minstrel Boy]

3. kick n/t

[laura888]

4. So what exactly is the difference between...

....the "terrorists" and the IDF?

[madokie]

6. at this point the idf is the terriorist

what else can it be.

[madokie]

5. you wouldn't know that by listening to m$m though, would ya'

the whole reason we are in the shape we are in is because the press doesn't keep us informed