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godhatesrepublicans Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 10:06 PM
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Food riots on tv
Have you paid attention to television commercials lately? I used to do my best to tune them out like most people, but I recently noticed something odd. It seems as if almost every food commercial I’ve seen in the past few months involves a storyline of people FIGHTING over food.

People arguing over who gets the last treat or stealing each other’s soda. Breakfast foods running away trying to avoid being devoured, followed by a commercial involving three jocks yelling “Beef! Pork! Chicken!” who then stare scornfully at their companion who sings “vegetable medley!”

I haven’t started keeping a scientific log book or anything to track the numbers, but it has to be a HUGE majority.

Now I have to ask. What is it that these media masterminds think they are training us for? Is someone in some Madison Avenue advertising firm predicting that food riots will be a hot new trend? Do they want to make sure that if Americans riot over food, it will be THEIR client’s product that has the hordes of ravenous Americans tearing at each other’s throats?

I’m going to start keeping a log tomorrow, but I wanted to post this and ask anyone on this message board who happens to be in the advertising field WHAT THE HECK IS THIS ABOUT?

Brian Davis, webmaster
www.godhatesrepublicans.org
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 10:11 PM
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1. Yankee-nine-niner. What are your co-ordinates?
Zero-two-zero, flight level one-five. We're above release point echo-
bravo-one.

Move in and check it out.

Roger. Moving in. Food riot in progress. Approximately fifteen-hundred
civilians. No weapons evident.

Proceed with plan alpha. Eliminate anything moving.

I said the crowd is unarmed! There are lots of women and children down
there! All they want is food for-gods-sake!

As you were Richards. Proceed with plan alpha. All rioters must be
eliminated.

The hell with you! I will not fire on helpless people! Abort mission. We
return back to base.

http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/runningman.txt
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godhatesrepublicans Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 10:20 PM
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3. omigod, I wish I had good editing software....
a cut of that clip with alterations of people stealing "Snacky Smores" by the armful would be a great viral video.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 10:26 PM
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4. Exactly what crossed my mind
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 10:27 PM by YOY
'cept I probably added King King Bundy dressed up with Christmas lights...



singing Opera no less...
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 10:30 PM
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5. The most hilarous Schwatrzenegger lines ever
My friends and I used to crack up over that in college. We'd wwatch the running man just to see him say it. Needless to say, it is completely ridiculous, as if he got to be in that position in the totalitarian regime still having the conscience. Oh, we'd laugh and laugh.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 12:19 AM
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10. Stephen King ALAWAYS freaks me out with a horrific vision of the future
I mean, it's quite possible, if you consider the relative plot line and the book is much more involved in the idea a society run by dictators, gaining popular power through reality TV after a huge loss in oil and food.

(Note Bachman the "author" of the orignal book is a nom-de-plum for Stephen King, used after he gained a modest popularity but didn't want to freak out readers with his more violent books. And yes, the books writen under Bachman are pretty violent and disturbing.

But, the truth is, that's it's quite realistic and amazing that he wrote that almost 25 years ago, before the advent of reality TV. Creepy.

Stephen King is quite the visionary when dealing with realistic, but bleak versions of the near future. Society is often ravanged by a mysterious flu, quantum scientists and the government making stupid mistakes, religious violence, corruption of elected officials, the basics of many of his stories and novels about the bleak future or horror have a disturbingly realistic base.
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 10:13 PM
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2. leggo my eggo!
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 11:23 PM
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6. Funny you should say that.
20% - 40% Shortfall In EU Vegetable Crops
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x61759

Meanwile, in the US:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=61917&mesg_id=61917

"Winter wheat production ... 15 percent below 2005.
Hard Red Winter... is up less than 1 percent from a month ago.
White Winter is down 1 percent from last month
Durum wheat production... down 40 percent from 2005.
Other Spring wheat... down 8 percent from 2005.
Hard Red Spring wheat, down 9 percent from last season"
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godhatesrepublicans Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:20 AM
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12. Jeez, maybe DU should start a "victory garden" section.
In light of that, I might start one on Godhatesrepublicans.org. If we leftie-liberals can't outmaneuver the Repugs politically, maybe we can outlast them in the coming famine.

"Come on Mr. ditto-head, admit you were wrong for 20 years and I'll give you a PBJ sandwich."
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 11:25 PM
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7. I think the thing with the "breakfast foods running away to avoid being
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 11:34 PM by impeachdubya
devoured" is about the fact that some folks are still dropping acid over there on Madison Ave.
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 11:41 PM
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8. Nervous people find spoof violence funny, and a relief
NOTHING in this post refers to the original poster! The original post asks a good question and this post intends to address that question, and then goes on to say a lot more.

It doesn't take a conspiracy - or a media mastermind - to sell air conditioners when it's hot outside. It's the season for it.

Given the current climate of the fear of deprivation and the fear of violence, the idea of senselessly silly violence has probably occurred to multiple advertising campaign designers and has then gone on to do well with focus groups. The individuals who come up with these ideas, the members of focus groups, the executives who approve the campaigns and the customers who buy them are all stewing in the same broth right now. The environment makes the joke funny - it's a kind of popular gallows humor, nothing much more than that. It's about making a memorable ad.

My take on the "leggo my Eggo" ads and all their grandchildren (such as the Dew ad) is that what is being played upon is the general self-centered meanness of pop culture. The food running away to avoid being devoured and the portrayal of eating non-meat foods as feminine or effeminate both play upon the ever-shrinking gender role of the American male, and the fear he has of being labeled "queer". The jocks vs. guy singing about vegetables seems to reinforce the "eating vegetables makes you a fag" thought.
The "fairy" SUV ad and most beer commercials play off of this as well: the American straight male's insecurity about his masculinity and heterosexuality are an easy hook to pull on.

Almost all (if not all) manipulation of public opinion depends on finding the hooks people leave sticking out of themselves and attaching ideas to them. Most of those hooks connect to internal fears and insecurities, some to hopes and dreams: fear makes a better, stronger hook than hope, as it's much easier to destroy a hope than to heal a fear. Some of those hooks may connect to mental and spiritual wounds - a person with a sense of unique mission and not much attachement to his own life has a giant hook to pull on, the kind of hook that can be manipulated to produce anything from a heroic firejumper to a U-boat crewman to a suicide bomber. Unscrupulous religion, propaganda, and advertising all work on grabbing those hooks.

The hooks do not work anywhere near as well if the subject to be manipulated is aware of them, as the OP is aware. The manipulation then becomes obvious and can have the opposite effect, particularly if one of the remaining hooks is a fear of being manipulated. Manipulating a person with paranoia concerning unseen actors or conspiracies can be exceedingly touchy. Such a person will take in the message, assume it is spun, and in attempting to "un-spin" the message, create something new out of it. Over time, this can result in a person who is unable to stop looking for the "hidden meaning" in any given message, or who takes any message as really meaning the opposite of its surface meaning. As difficult as it can be to pitch to people with this particular way of hearing and understanding, done correctly, the paranoid can be fierce advocates of the intended message once they get it. Once a paranoid person becomes convinced of a "hidden truth", very little short of drugs and therapy can unconvince him.

A lesser version of the technique of manipulating the paranoid works for selling to the terminally hip. The Blair Witch Project and the marketing for Snakes On A Plane are good examples, as are retail chains Hot Topic and Urban Outfitters. There are enough people who want to be outside the norm that they themselves, in a large enough market, become a market and a new norm in themselves. Present something as "underground" or "counterculture" and it becomes its own form of "hidden truth" or "secret knowledge". Unlike with the paranoid, the terminally hip will dump trends in favor of new trends. The paranoid wants everyone to know his secret truth and will do great work for you in spreading your message, but the hip will junk your trend as soon as it catches on or as soon as the next trend hits. In political propaganda, the cachet of outsiderness has to be presented differently. The trend can't ever be seen to have caught on. In our current political climate, the dominant neocon culture warriors and the more noxious megachurch evangelicals have the hipster hook firmly implanted in their fear of powerlessness, not their fear of being out of the know or uncool. The hipster wears an ironically mass produced pseudovintage t-shirt, and the fundie fights back in the War on Christmas. It's the same trend, same psychology, same hook.

How a fundie doesn't know he's part of a mass movement while attending a church the size of a stadium, I can't understand any more than how a twentysomething neopunk who bought his beat up studded belt off of a rack in a national chain store thinks he's a unique and special snowflake. I don't understand how that works, but I understand that it does: I suspect it has something in common with the mechanism behind Stockholm Syndrome, but several levels removed. Convincing people that what you are telling them is more true than their own personal experience, getting them to trust that the world as described on the radio, the TV, or from the pulpit more than they trust the world as seen in their own neighborhood is moving on from the elementary to the intermediate level of propaganda.

The advanced Jedi mind trick level of political, religious, or marketing B.S. is getting people to believe two or more completely contradictory and self-cancelling ideas at the same time. This is rarely achieved in the commercial world, but the US beer industry has managed to associate drinking watery yellow pilsener with both defending against womanliness and attracting feminine women. In unscrupulous religious politics, a contradictory idea-pair is "America is a Christian nation" and "Christians are persecuted in America". This is not the same as the concept of cognitive dissonance, in which the idea is to create the tension of dissonance with the preparatory ideas (drown them yourself) and then to resolve the tension with the end-goal idea (sell them the life preserver). The idea is to break down the logical mind and stop the process of internal logic checking. This subject, when forced to compare ideas, will either not see the conflict or will react with anger at the person who disrupted the peace of his confusion. The subject's anger will be turned toward the counterpropagandist who points out the contradictions, and his discomfort will be turned toward the process of thinking itself. Eventually, he becomes an emotionally driven creature , off balance enough to be pushed with a breath. When, or if, he is out of the situation and able to think again, he will be shocked at the absurdity of his own beliefs.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 12:08 AM
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9. .
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:36 AM
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11. uh, narrative is conflict
it's pretty much english 101
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