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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:24 PM
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When Are You Going To Pack?


Over the last few days I have heard more than once, “well, some 1000 years ago they owned the land.” Using that logic, most of us currently residing in the US are interlopers and we need to return the land to its rightful owners. So, when are you going to pack?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:26 PM
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It's more like 1950 years ago...
The Jews were dispelled from Palestine around 75 CE....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:26 PM
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:36 PM
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8. boy that says it
for one thing there is no logic in this statement.

For one thing, the natives of America did not believe that any PERSON owned any land. The land belongs to the Great Spirit not an individual.

So, by comparing an ancient group of battling tribes to people living here in America now that are most likely multi-cultural, where do we go?

We got to make it better here first before we "pack" for in fact, many of "we" have never left.

:kick:
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brmdp3123 Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:11 PM
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15. Yet another post comparing
Israel to the Nazis.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:17 PM
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18. eh, bush regime, israelis, it's all extermination and genoicide...hitler
just set the example, now.. didn't he?

Remember, hitler is the standard... anyone after that freak is merely the imitator.

It doesn't take a nationality or a type of clothing or a religion or a god to be a terrorist or a murderer... it's all about the actions. This world's most recent genocidal maniac was hitler, less than 100 years ago. It's the only modern comparison we have.

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brmdp3123 Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:18 PM
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19. Wrong. It's no comparison at all.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:27 PM
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23. Because you say so, right?
Pfft.

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:26 PM
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2. I think I would enjoy
visiting my ancestors on my father's side in Holland.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:27 PM
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3. I'll pack. Will they send us someplace special?
Perhaps they can dredge up a new island or something.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:28 PM
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4. nobody 'owned' any land
in that region there were mainly wandering tribes battling with each other now and again.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:35 PM
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6. Sort of wholesale "adverse possession"? n/t
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:32 PM
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5. One good thing about moving hopefully "little georgie" wouldn't be
president=dictator...
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:35 PM
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7. I'd have to move to my ancestral home.....the Italian Riviera
What a hell hole!! ;)

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CuteNFuzzy Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:54 PM
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11. nice picture
I could move there!
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:50 PM
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9. Yeah, if I could move back to England, Germany or Ireland...
I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Totallybushed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:51 PM
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10. Problem with
Edited on Wed Jul-26-06 03:52 PM by Totallybushed
that logic is that they own the land, now, too.

When other peoples in the ME stop trying to destroy Israel, they, too can lay down their arms.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:58 PM
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12. "U.S. Out of North America" Heard that one?
Now out on DC.:hippie:
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:05 PM
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13. Guten Morgen, Deutschland!
Ich werde schon da sein.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:08 PM
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14. Love that line about "owning" the land...
Next time someone trots out that little ditty--ask them how, exactly, they acquired the land (one can leave out all the biblical stuff as that isn't sound evidence for rational discourse)

The end result is that the land was conquered, a monarchy established, a monarchy divided, a people divided and conquered...

Hmmm.

By that logic -- conquest works. That is an ugly little lesson for them to learn.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:13 PM
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16. That is how land is acquired
It isn't a secret lesson that "they" have exclusive access to. It is the history of humanity.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:39 PM
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24. I totally agree, but unfortunately the "owernship" "promised" ruse
is used all the time in arguments.

Once the facts of the situation are laid bare (as was the purpose of my post) said arguments sink faster than a lead balloon.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:16 PM
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17. By your logic all of humanity should all return to Africa
Or China, if the Chinese make good on their efforts to establish Asia as the birthplace of mankind.

Could get kind of crowded.

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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:23 PM
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21. No No No, it's finders keepers!
You only get to own huge areas of land if you got there first. It's similar to the moon in that the USA owns it all cause we got there first!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:21 PM
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20. Not packing. Looking for a loincloth and hides for housing.
This Viking descendant ain't pinin' for the fjords. Nope. Cook's Bay, perhaps, but not the fjords.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:26 PM
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22. At first I thought you meant either "packing to leave" or "packing heat"
Both options are open...
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