I have to agree on this one

[formercia]

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=5196532

House votes to block police from seizing legal guns in disasters


WASHINGTON -- The House voted Tuesday to prevent law enforcement officers from confiscating legally owned guns during a national disaster or emergency.

Republican Rep. Bobby Jindal, the Louisiana lawmaker who sponsored the bill, said firearms seizures after Hurricane Katrina left residents unable to defend themselves.

"Many of them were sitting in their homes without power, without water, without communication," he said. "It was literally impossible to pick up a phone and call 911."

The House voted 322-99 in support of the bill. Senators voted 84-16 earlier this month to include a similar prohibition in a homeland security funding bill.

[Warpy]

1. Since gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right

I find it bizarre that they felt compelled to grandstand to the point of taking up precious time to pass that unnecessary law.

They must be absolutely desperate to shore up their guns, god and gays base.

[Virginia Dare]

2. Does it prevent the Blackwater jackboots from...

doing the same? Because they were the ones that were doing it.

[formercia]

14. Blackwater, DeVos, CNP, NWO....connection

you will be assimilated....resistance is futile....

[sendero]

5. Because...

.. guns were being confiscated after Katrina?

If you watch this administration and their minions in action for only a short while, you realize that the constitution means absolutely NOTHING to them.

[sgxnk]

8. lol

it wasn't THIS administration

it was Mayor Nagin.

last i checked, he wasn't part of the bush administration

http://www.reason.com/hod/dk091005.shtml

not everything is bushco's fault

this was nagin's fault, and it was disgusting

[sendero]

10. Do you actually...

.. think the Bush administration would have opposed this action?

The only reason it wasn't Bush's minions is that he was busy eating cake and acting like he could play a guitar, in other words, absent as usual.

[sgxnk]

11. so now

bush is guilty for what he might have (but didn't ) do?


for pete's sake, the partisanship of some people is unbelievable

let's return to the facts. the facts that were MISSTATED by the previous poster who blamed Bushco(tm) for the unconstitutional firearms confiscation in NO

let's review

the firearms WERE confiscated PER mayor nagin's orders

and it WAS unconstitutional and disgusting

and it was WRONGLY blamed on bush in the previous post that i responded to .

but no apology or retraction from the person who got it wrong. instead, a tangential conjecture to cover the fact that the wrong person was blamed

Bushco(tm) sux on many issues, like in their response to katrina

but in THIS CASE, the culprit was Nagin, and HE deserves the blame

is your partisanship so severe that you can;'t blame nagin for what he did?

seriously?

[sendero]

12. You are right...

... the blame for that particular incident goes to Nagin. He gets no support from me.

However, please, if you will, admit that had Bush actually had control of the situation, he'd have done no better.

My point was that Bush** and his pals don't give a shit about the Constitution. The fact that I chose an incorrect example doesn't negate my point. Do you care to argue that?

[sgxnk]

13. bushco

i appreciate your honesty

thank you


bushco's/FEMA's response to NO was very bad

that's a given

they dropped the ball bigtime

as for the gun issue, i am a STRONG supporter of the 2nd amendment. bushco, for a republican has been WEAK on gun rights

i am not willing to say that *if* bush was in control in NO he would have confiscated guns like nagin ordered. i simply have no idea of knowing if he would have done that. that action, by nagin, was unprecedented and disgusting

i think the evidence is in that nagin was astoundingly imcompetent, as well as confiscating firearms. the guy is also a racist, and a whiner. he is probably my least favorite politician on earth

seriously

i have a relative who is a nurse, who flew voluntarily to the gulf to helpout

also, she was completely hamstrung by absurd amounts of red tape.

she said she spent more time documenting patient care, than being able to do patient care.

she had some horror stories about he bureaucratic headaches

which is simply unacceptable in a disaster area. i think that's arguably a slag against big govt. bureaucracy in general, not just buscho/fema, but it is sucky nonetheless

i really really think nagin is/was an incompetent, racist, and unconstitutional dipsh*t

don't get me started on nagin :)

whooops. too late

[Totallybushed]

17. OK, I'm going to butt in here

What purpose is served by always saying "Bush would have" done some horrible, unconstitutional thing THAT HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO, when there are so many instances of horrible, unconstituitional things THAT HE DID ACTUALLY DO?

What purpose is served? We don't actually know that he would have done such and such a thing, because occassionally, perhaps, the right, constitutional thing would actually suit Bush's agenda better than the wrong thing?

What I'm saying is this. We know Bush is a liar. Maybe he cheats at poker, too. But a poker cheat doesn't cheat every hand. That would be too obvious, for one thing. For another, it might not suit his purposes to win the small pots. Save the risks for the big pots. And finally, we might be winning the pot, anyway.

And the point of this little rant? I don't think any purpose is served by always accusing Bush of lying, acting unconstituionally or illegally about everything. The sheeple get "bad Bush" fatigue and tune it out when something important and provable comes up.

I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's a question of taste. But it might be considered. Bush had nothing to do with Nagin's decision. Why try to blame him for it? Stick to the putrid response to Katrina which the federal government had.

[sendero]

18. Gee..

... I admitted I was mistaken. I'm not sure what else you want me to do.

[sgxnk]

19. i play

a lot of poker

it's actually a decent source of income

you don't need to cheat if you are GOOD!

:)

[Totallybushed]

21. That's true.

And if I were a gambling man, that would be my game.

[sgxnk]

22. i play mostly tournaments

the tournament style suits me more than cash ring games

it rules. if yer into psychology, game theory, math, and aggression - it's a great game

[Totallybushed]

20. Sorry, nothing personal

about you. It's a general tendency I see here that I think is non-productive at best, possibly even counter-productive.

No offense?

[sendero]

24. Look...

.... I was making a point. A poster said something like "taking guns is unconstitutional". I replied that this administration doesn't care about the constitution. The fact I was mistaken about this particular incident doesn't negate my point, I could cite a boatload of examples, but I assume everyone knows this.

It was sloppy of me to have assumed that the Bush admin was involved, and for that I've already capitulated. I do not like to read non-factual posts, much less make them. I appreciate the other fellow correcting me, because it was not my intention to disseminate disinformation.

I'm FOR this legislation. The Congress has stood still for a million signing statements and numerous other offenses related to trying to make the executive a king. Anyone who thinks such a piece of legislation is superflous is mistaken. The Congress should be passing stuff like this every day to put the DictatorTot (and Nagin) in his place.

No offense taken.

[sgxnk]

25. and i would like to say

that i can 100% appreciate and thank you for that.

it is SO rare in the internet (even rarer on usenet) for people to simply say "my bad" when they should

if and when i'm wrong, i really hope that i have the intellectual honesty to admit it

:)

[sgxnk]

7. they "grandstanded"

because this exact unconstitutional confiscation DID take place in NO under orders of the mayor and carried out by the police chief

it was a disgusting violation of constitutional rights, and it HAPPENED

[benEzra]

16. "that unnecessary law"

taking up precious time to pass that unnecessary law.

Actually, as a resident of hurricane country, the law is very reassuring to me. Not so much for what it does statuatorily, but simply for that fact that it reiterates that there is no Bad Weather Exception Clause to the Fourth and Second Amendments.

[sgxnk]

23. agree 100%

this already happened. per nagin's orders

and it was 100% WRONG

[Minnesota Libra]

3. They had no choice but to protect gun rights, what with all...........

....those neocon/fundie gun owners running around.

I would like to think our Second Amendment to the Constitution had something to do with their vote - but I wouldn't guarantee that they were strictly looking out for their fellow neocons/fundies.

[bluestateguy]

4. Yes I support that bill too

It appears that most Democrats voted for it too.

[unpossibles]

6. I do too

I just wish their base saw the other amendments as being as important as #2. And I am a gun owner, if that matters, but I think the other ones are more important, especially the first.

[formercia]

9. Keep an eye out for a signing statement

Fearless Leader will have the power to take your guns if he so desires.

[benEzra]

15. I'm glad to see so many Dems voting Yea. (n/t)