OMG! The one GOOD thing out of the Bush Presidency:

[berni_mccoy]

Joe Lieberman isn't the V.P.!

[WI_DEM]

1. Sorry but as much as I oppose Joe--he isn't nearly as evil as Cheney

[berni_mccoy]

3. True, but it's good that Joe isn't

A disloyal dem V.P. *may* have been worse than an outwardly evil V.P.

It's a choice of lesser-two-evils-hindsight that I'm not sure how to feel about.

[movonne]

10. He is trying hard..

[silverweb]

2. President Gore would have kept him in line.

What the Bush maladministration has done in terms of damage is far, far worse than any possible problems Lieberman could have caused as Veep.

[berni_mccoy]

4. I'm not saying I wouldn't PREFER a Gore presidency with Lieberman VP

I'm just saying, it's the only good thing ABOUT the Bush presidency.

[movonne]

11. I'm not sure Gore would be alive if he won and joe was vp.

[SensibleAmerican]

5. But Cheney is ....

:eyes:

[MODemocrat]

6. Not to be argumentive, but Joe's a saint compared to Cheney

I've never seen or heard of anyone in my whole life as vile as Dick Cheney...He's a disgrace.
He's all about blood for oil, nothing else. He has never helped anyone but himself. Joe Lieberman has
helped others.

[Homer Wells]

7. I remember of a line from "The West Wing"

The Vice President is telling his soon to be Chief of Staff'
"Did you hear about the two brothers? One went to sea, and the other became Vice President,and neither was heard from again."
That is normally how it works in the Executive Branch, and that is probably how Lieberman would have been dealt with in the GORE Administration. That arrangement sounds good to me.
:donut:

[sgxnk]

8. i realize

that for many (oldsschool mindset), that the DOW is "the market"

a better market proxy is the S&P

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=sp500&sid=0&o_symb=sp500&freq=2&time=13&x=38&y=19

or even the russell (well, it's the barnbuster recently)

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=%24rut&sid=0&o_symb=%24rut&freq=2&time=13&x=52&y=16

disclaimer: i trade Dow Futures for a living

[berni_mccoy]

12. The S&P does worse than the Dow

And the Russell is nothing impressive against the oil&gas or defense industries:

[sgxnk]

13. depends

when you got in

the S&P has had a great secular bull market since last correction

it has SIGNIFICANTLY outperformed the dow. the S&P and Russell have totally trounced the DOW since the end of the bear

by a BIG margin

i can post the #'s if you want

yes, oil and gas have done great

and gold

i dabble in gold futures and oil as well

natural gas futures are wacked though

i don't like the way they move
natural gas traders are clearly on LSD

[berni_mccoy]

14. Sure timing is everything in the market

But knowing when to get in and get out is not obvious. All the technicals could say a stock, index or commodity are oversold and its time to buy and you get in and lose everything or gain bigtime. After three years of being dragged down to nearly 50%, not many people were eager to get back in the market. Who knew the Russell 2k or the S&P would have been better buys? The Dow was the best performer (losing the least) at the time.

It's also obvious looking back that a war on one of the largest oil suppliers would have affected the price of oil by limiting supply. But that's exactly what happened and why the oil&gas industries took off. It's very easy to look back and make imaginary money.

[sgxnk]

15. like i said, i trade for a living

the dow lost the least (imo) due in good part to it being SEEN as more of a value play, and also a lot of foreign (especially asian/japanese) interests/hedge plays, etc.

i made more money in gold futures (and HANS stock) in the least year than I ever made trading dow futures, even though I trade dow futures fulltime and only dabble in other vehicles

[sgxnk]

16. or to put it more simply

buy when there is blood on the streets

my bread and butter is short term scalps (i am in trades from anywhere from 3 seconds or so up to a few hours), but in my longterm INVESTING i often buy what others hate.

stocks in 2001.

gold over the last few years

[BrewAz]

9. I wish Lieberman WAS Vice President....

That would mean we missed the previous 5 1/2 years of the Bushcos. Can we get "do overs"?

BrewAz