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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:02 PM
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I hope is not lost on all here that Americans are being rescued not from
Hezbollah missiles but from Israeli mega ton bombs and missiles.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:04 PM
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1. I second that sentiment !
May God Bless all peoples of the ME to find a way to negotiate with each other ... more killing please?
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frisky Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:05 PM
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2. Why on earth did we send people to live there in the first place?
That's what makes me mad--and the troops we sent in there, too, are in danger. When are they going to be taken out???????????????????
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dufrenne Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:05 PM
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5. what do you
mean "send people to live there?"
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frisky Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:14 PM
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10. Aren't those the people who need evacuating?
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 08:15 PM by frisky
Haven't we PLACED people there--gov workers, troops etc. Aren't THOSE the ones trapped????????
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:07 PM
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6. The US didn't send anyone anywhere, except perhaps
embassy employees. Many people chose to live there and are of Lebanese heritage.
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frisky Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:15 PM
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11. They CHOSE to live there???????????
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:20 PM
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15. Yes indeed. Why is that so surprising to you? nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:26 PM
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16. From Tony Bourdain, a chef many are familiar with, who has been
stuck in Beirut since the violence started. I don't know what his current status is, but he gives a good background on how Beirut was before the bombings.


http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?s=c682670e6f2b63f42df309763f7215f5&showtopic=57881&st=840&p=1235270&#entry1235270

I'm very aware of how flip my response to the Post was (made last Wednesday, very early in the crisis)as I sought to reassure family and friends that we were safe and okayand in good cheer. . It was--at the time--very representative of the (outward) attitude of Beirutis themselves, who pride themselves on their resilience and their determination to "keep the party going." Initially, many Beirutis were still going strong at nightclubs as jets flew low and menacingly overhead. Even that proud, famously world-weary attitude quickly changed, however, as circumstances here became even more appalling. I can certainly understand how offensive it might be to those on the ground here--or those with family and friends here--to read some of what's been posted on the other NR thread--and understand why it's been closed for now.
It is indeed heartbreaking and horrifying what has happened to this lovely country--to spanking new, lovingly restored,resurgent Beirut in particular, in only a few days of sustained and seemingly senseless destruction. A few days ago, this was a place where people were bursting with pride for the relative tolerance, progressive attitudes, and lack of conflict between groups. I was standing with a group: a Sunni, a Christian, and a Shiite--by the Hariri memorial when the gunfire started and the Hezbollah people appeared driving through city center and honking their horns in "celebration" for the capture/kidnappings. The look of dismay and embarrasment on all three faces...and the grim look of resignation as they all-- instantly-- recognized what would inevitably come next...it's something I will never forget. Of the three, our Shiite security guy, a tall, taciturn man, was the last to leave us, insisiting on staying by our side though he and his family lived in the much more perilous Southern part of Beirut. After witnessing many quick telephone exchanges between him and his family, and as more bombs and shells began to fall, seeing him nervously fingering his prayer beads, we finally convinced him to leave. His house was later flattened..We were soon relocated to a safer part of town.The sense of regret and ...shame we feel at being relatively safe yet witness to the carnage...and that we never got to show the world how beautiful this country and its people are--how much "like us" (yet uniquely and wonderfully not), how international, muti-lingual, multi-faith..how fantastic the food and hospitality is...will gnaw at us forever. WE will make it home. WE--unlike most Lebanese, have been (relatively) safe and secure during this. Trapped, yes--but trapped by a freaking swimming pool-not under the rubble of our homes. We may be only a few thousand yards or a few miles from the falling bombs-but we have an eventual way out. What hasn't been talked about much in the press, is how many young returnees there are/were here: young, educated Lebanese who'd emigrated abroad or been born aboad and only recenly returned..how filled with hope they were, how much they loved their country, how hopeful and enthusiastic they were that they could make a difference (and they WERE making a difference). That is all ashes now..
We (the NR crew) are indeed well--and well looked after. It's indeed frightening here, it's enraging, it's horrifying,and its frustrating..the classic "long hours of boredom interspersed with moments of terror" phenom they always use when talking about life during wartime. But we are relatively safe. And sooner or later we will no doubt be heading home.
We will never forget the Beirut that could have been-and will hopefully be again. Or what we saw here.

I fully hope and expect that the administrators/mods will allow this post--and immediately close it to further comment. The crew and I greatly appreciate all the previous comments and expressions of concern here and thank you all.
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dufrenne Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:05 PM
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3. also
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 08:06 PM by dufrenne
I hope its not lost on them that if Hezbollah didn't kidnap two Israelis and murder 6 others while based freely in Lebanese territory, they wouldn't have to be rescued.

"mega ton" lol...I guess those 1600 Hezbollah missles are just toys.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:08 PM
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7. capture, is the term, I belive. How many arabs has Israel "kidnaped"?
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:09 PM
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8. Yeah and if Israel wasn't holding many Lebanese in prison
without legal rights, the two Israeli's wouldn't have been kidnapped...

Let's play "who can go furthest back in the chain of idiocy!"
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dufrenne Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:17 PM
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12. and why
not? Hezbollah, initiated this spate of action after quite a long period of disengagement...what? 6 years? So I think it's quite easy to say who started it first. If your arguement is that Hezbollah is justified in its actions in defense of Gaza, well, I just don't buy it. You can't fight for the palestinians, but hold the Lebanses hostage. They engaged, and they're getting what they deserved. I didn't know that we have to argue for parity between the number of Hezbollah terrorists Israel holds and the number of Israeli hostages. It's funny no one makes such calculations in any other conflicts involving terrorists. I guess Spain gets what's coming to it because it jails a bunch of Al-Qeda.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:17 PM
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13. It's my understanding
that Israel holds very, very few Lebanese. The same isn't of course true of Palestinians- they hold some 9,000. And I believe H'zbollah is demanding the release of Palestinians. Please correct me if I'm wrong with evidence backing your claim that Israel holds many Lebanese.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:11 PM
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9. Oh stop, that lame talking point "But But Hezbollah started this!" has
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 08:16 PM by ShortnFiery
been completely negated. Israel has been equally culpable at spurring on the CAPTURE of two Israeli soldiers. It also is no excuse to NOT consider a prisoner swap, but instead freely choose to reign hellfire on civilians.

Both Parties are guilty BUT if Israel continues, they will be held most "at fault" for not showing restraint and, in essence, considering 8 Israeli lives as more precious as HUNDREDS of Lebanese. That tired "Waaa, they started this first" meme might be drummed into the American and Israeli populace by the corporate censured media, but it is an INANE justification for KILLING HUNDREDS of INNOCENTS by the views of the wider World Community.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:05 PM
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4. And Bunker busters wonder who gave them those
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:19 PM
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14. Nobody, it would seem.
Their homegrown bunker buster is in prototype, and their budget cutbacks prevented them from buying any.
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