"TPM Reader DO chimes in on Lieberman ..."

[Gold Metal Flake]

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009119.php

"Have you ever actually READ the things left-wingers are saying about Lieberman on sites like Democratic Underground? Sure, Kos's daily rants against Lieberman are bad enough. But look at what the rank-and-filers are saying. You don't have to look hard to find someone wishing Lieberman an untimely death, or expressing anti-Semitic sentiments. And while this may only represent a fraction of the anti-Lieberman crowd, the majority who ought to know better chooses to remain silent rather than confront the bigotry in their midst. I don't have a problem with people not liking Lieberman, or even supporting a primary opponent. It's a free country. But the obsession that the far left has with Lieberman (which actually predates the war in Iraq by several years) borders on the psychopatic. Everything Lieberman says or does is scrutinized far more closely by the left-wing blogosphere than the actions of any other Democrat I can think of, and he's presumed to exercise an influence over the body politic far out of proportion to reality. And then there are the lies. Sorry, but no rational person would assert that Lieberman is a right-wing Republican, but that's become gospel among the far left. The fact of the matter is that Lieberman's voting record puts him well to the left of any Republican in the Senate, with the possible exception of Lincoln Chafee. And with the exception of Lieberman's enthusiastic support of the Iraq war, it's hard to see how Lieberman's policy preferences are markedly different than his Democratic colleagues. But none of this seems to matter to the far left, which regularly brands Lieberman a DINO.

You ought to read today's post by the Bull Moose, who really hits the nail on the head. The comparison to the New Left's smearing of Hubert Humphrey, one of the greatest liberals this country has seen is particularly apt, since I've always considered the New Left to be the spritual forerunners of today's left-wing blogosphere. And no, I don't mean that as a complement."

If supporting the challenger in the Connecticut Democratic Senatorial Primary is wrong, I don't want to be right.

[NewJeffCT]

1. Lieberman dug his own grave with his Independent run

I've defended him on here as not as bad as many make him out to be... but, once he did not rule out running as an independent if he lost the primary, I have been 100% Lamont.

[calico1]

2. That's what did it for me too. n/t

[Atman]

7. NPR reported tonight that his independent run cost him big time

He was fairly well ahead of Ned in the last poll. Not comfortably, but still out front. Then he made his assinine anti-democratic pledge to run as an independent, and that is when it happened...Ned shot past him in the polls with a bullet. Ooops, shouldn't say bullet. Don't wan't DO to think I'm wishing Joe an untimely death!

[BillZBubb]

3. The old anti-Semitism canard.

I don't like Lieberman. He has hurt Democratic causes more than he's helped in the past 5 years. He is Jewish, but I like Russ Feingold, and I understand he is Jewish too. I must be a selective anti-Semite.

I really would love for one of these people making anti-Semite claims about DU would post an actual citation. I cannot recall ever seeing one--and if I did I couldn't hit the alert button fast enough. I think they are lying.

[CTyankee]

4. Oh, Good Lord! We are not all anti-Semites and wierdos

I am probably to the right of many on DU about Israel and far to the left on abortion rights, but TPM is just wrong. I am a CT resident and voter and I can say that people are responding to Ned Lamont in a way I have not seen locally in any other political campaign, other than those generated by the Vietnam War. Also, Joe is out of touch with the voters! We don't even know where he lives now! This is sad, folks.

I don't know if poster Bull Moose is a CT resident, and therefore eligible to vote. If he is not, could he at least acknowledge that his information and his knowledge about OUR situation is different from his own?

I am tired of hearing from out of state-ers who have such sage advice about what "we should do" in Connecticut, when they don't know East Haven from Weston.

[calico1]

13. Well said, especially your last comment.

I too am sick to death of being "educated" by non CT posters who really have no clue about what is going on day to day here. And I am also sick of Lamont supporters being dismissed as "far left." What a Republican sounding comment. Don't like that Lamont is really popular? Dismiss his support as being from far left wackos. :eyes:

[Cha]

22. bullmoose sounds like a

lieman republicon so I don't think he's going to "acknowledge" anything!

[Atman]

5. As one of Joe's constituents and a long-time DUer...WHAT A CROCK OF...

I don't even understand what the headline is supposed to mean. It appears to be Josh's words, because his sig is after them on his site. But it also appears to refer to a TPM reader named DO. Doesn't really matter. The entire screed is total hogwash. Why does everyone, everyone, say that we all hate Joe because of his stance on the war, as if Joe's votes on some of Bush's other historic boondoggles mean nothing to us? This DO guy claims some sort of knowledge of DU and its posters, but personally, I've never seen anyone calling for Joe's death. Not saying it hasn't happened, but I spend a lot of time on this board -- too much -- and I zero in on the Joe posts because I live in CT. And I have never seen a post calling for Joe's untimely death. I see just as many anti-semetic comments here as on any other board. I don't like them, but they are in no way the apparent standard that this DO claims. He simply is full of shit.

Here me DO? You are full of shit. You claim to know why we don't like Joe, but you are just clueless. Piss off. And take Joe with you.



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[KamaAina]

6. Lieberman is not a right-wing republican so stop saying that!

Sorry, but no rational person would assert that Lieberman is a right-wing Republican, but that's become gospel among the far left.

I, for one, have never asserted such a thing. Far from being a right-winger, he would fit the time-tested profile of a moderate-to-liberal, New England Republican, should he end up going that route.

[Atman]

11. I don't hear anyone saying that. He simply has betrayed the democrats.

Of course he isn't a right winger. He has an 80%-plus voting record on democratic issues. But it is the issues he votes with Bush on that is pissing us all off. It is the 20% of the stuff he fucks up, where he demonstrates that he doesn't care about his constituents, and appears to care more about appeasing BushCo. Voting for the safe, uncontroversial bills is, well, safe and uncontroversial. What matters is how he's voted on the stuff that matters to US, not HIM. And that is where he fails miserably.

[calico1]

15. Wanna hear something funny?

Back when Lieberman was in his first term and very popular here a Republican coworker of mine came in one day spewing about what a slime Lieberman was. He was really into politics. Much more so than I was at the time so he was always watching C-Span, etc. So he came over to me all angry and said "Lieberman is a slime! Do you know what he just did?" He went on to tell me that they were voting on some bill (can't remember what) and Lieberman disappeared and then came back to vote once he knew how the vote would turn out. I dismissed it at the time. Figured it was just Democrat bashing and especially since Lieberman was very well liked at the time. And this is classic Lieberman. He does vote more with Democrats than not. But he often votes on things that would pass anyway or fail anyway. When he does go against the Democrats, yes is much less often but they are real whoppers!

[kohodog]

8. WTF?

Is DO a Lieberman guy? I've kept up with a lot of the Lieberman threads and haven't really seen much anti-semetic vitrol. But I guess we must be an angry bunch here in the blogosphere(??). To date the left wing blogosphere seems more concerned with peace than war. Funny, you can start a war, support a war that kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and the people labeled as angry crazy weirdos are the ones in opposition.

That posting on TPM was annoying because there were no links, no quotes and no way to respond. I expect that from freeperland, not from Josh.

[Pithy Cherub]

9. Another pathetic graduate of the Lieberman School of Prolific Whining!

:boring: Lieberman also chose the route of demagoguery and sad attempts at marginalizing the DEMOCRATIC rank and file voters and look where its got him today!

Go Ned Lamont Go!:bounce:

[SoCalDem]

16. Poor Sad Sack Joe.. He's Joe-NO-Mentum

[LiviaOlivia]

10. Is this the "Bull Moose" mentioned?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2712258

[Gold Metal Flake]

12. That would be the one.

The cponservative interests are circling their wagons around Holy Joe. Josh Marshall often picks out email responses to his blog posts, sometimes because he supports the pots, sometimes because he does not. Without any comment, and certainly no place to make a comment except by email, I felt that DU should have the chance to respond publicly.

Y'see, it's not a Primary race, it's a terrible mistake of historical proportions and a sign of a new and terrible movement within the Democratic Party that will surely result in it's destruction or soime such shit. :sarcasm: <<(I 'membered to use that finally)

[hlthe2b]

14. Will a Connecticut-resident DUer please respond to TPM?

Josh needs to correct the record. This is just offensive.

[Gold Metal Flake]

17. Check it out. Responses posted. Looks like Josh wanted to...

...toss a firecracker.

[hlthe2b]

23. Good... thanks for the heads up...

[madfloridian]

18. I don't see comments at all.

Where are they.

[Gold Metal Flake]

19. talking points memo

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

You know how it works there. There isn't a comments section, but Josh just posted portions of six emails with promises of more to come.

[madfloridian]

21. Thanks, the other link was different.

I see the comments now. I seldom go there and not that familiar.

[Cha]

20. WHine, Whine, Whine!

Maybe the lefty bloggers write more about lie-man because of the position he's in and how much DAMAGE he's already done. It's time for him to leave!

I haven't read anyone wishing him an untimely death, have you?

That whinging martyr needs to stay around and see how great our country's gonna be when his hero gets the hell out and Ned Lamont gets in the Senate!