The most disturbing picture I've seen of the whole Lebanon mess...

[TreasonousBastard]

is of these Israeli girls writing messages on artillery shells.

http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/

Sure, that sort of thing happens all the time in war, and I don't doubt the spawn of the scum of Hezbollah are doing the same thing.

But there's just something so incredibly wrong about involving the children this way. Children are to be protected from war, not taught to revel in it.

[Clarkie1]

1. And your evidence these are authentic and not a photoshop con-job is what?

eom

[CuteNFuzzy]

11. verifiable link

here

(assuming Associated Press is considered a verifiable source)

[Clarkie1]

14. Thanks. n/t

[leeroysphitz]

81. Hey your right. No way any one could have been killed just

from a few days worth of intensive bombing...

[Clarkie1]

2. I see Photoshop most likely has been nominated for the greatest page.

When will the lunacy stop?

[wakeme2008]

5. You should have googled for these SICK ISRAELI girls

:grr:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/c8723701e8f644f0b5befd7df750e8ea

AP Photo...

[DRoseDARs]

9. I rest may case. n/t

[jonnyblitz]

62. what case is that? nt

[Behind the Aegis]

15. Sick?!

How very progressive of you!

[CuteNFuzzy]

17. It's not sick to you?

[Behind the Aegis]

22. Not any more so than the shit peddled on Egyptian TV.

[CuteNFuzzy]

24. does Egyptian TV justify it to you?

[Behind the Aegis]

26. Did I say something about "justification?"

[CuteNFuzzy]

27. then what's the point?

[Behind the Aegis]

29. I don't think they should be called "sick" and...

...I don't think it is the most disturbing photo to come out of this conflict.

[Chico Man]

88. I told my wife about this

The first thing she said was "that's sick".

[SmokingJacket]

90. I doubt it was the children's idea.

You can see the parents or other adults looking on approvingly.

Kids should be kept out of it.

[lvx35]

121. Of course...

that's the problem, there's evil shit going on in israel. Its not the kids, not the average israeli joe, but they are all getting sucked into the blackhole.

[manic expression]

112. It is sick

and by extension, the comment was not unreasonable. Get a grip.

[wakeme2008]

18. Yes SICK,,, those thing kill kids.

Progressives are against Wars.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. I don't think they are sick...misled, perhaps.

[Selatius]

30. Those children should never have been near that ordnance to begin with

The IDF was foolish to let children play near those weapons. Absolutely foolish.

[Behind the Aegis]

33. I don't dispute that...but I don't think it makes the children "sick."

[LostinVA]

52. No, this is sick

And, it would be just as sick if American, British, Syrian, or Albanian kids were doing it. It's ghoulish and creepy and fascist. Ick.

[wakeme2008]

53. Only a sick person would SMILE about a killing machine

:grr:

[Ignoramus]

95. "Sick" is a malidy, it's not a label of blame

It should apply to everyone. There aren't good and bad people. There are only bad actions that come from people's misfortune of having become sick.

[manic expression]

113. It is very sick

and any child who does that willingly is sick.

[Name removed]

76. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[DRoseDARs]

6. Well, for one thing, they're presumably AP photos...

Read the captions. Links to the actual pages these captions and photos came from would have been nice, and you need to pay to access AP photo archives. :shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1662253

[Wonk]

7. I saw the same pics linked from Reuters a couple days ago.

There have been many threads on this on DU so far. Search away.

[TreasonousBastard]

3. I need evidence for that? FWIW...

if it's faked, it's a damn good job. Even the shadows under the fingers and the degree of lack of sharpness between the girls and the background have been matched.

Sure, it could be a couple of girls from an art class stuck in there.

Or, it could be really a couple of girls writing messages on artillery shells.

[countryjake]

20. Here's another shot of the same kids...different angle...it's real...

They've been up at yahoo news for awhile, now.



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/f9bc38f9a3a9401fb864a02b3a24f678

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/c8723701e8f644f0b5befd7df750e8ea

[Clarkie1]

4. Who owns the website in your link. Do you know? nt

[wakeme2008]

8. GOOGLE

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/c8723701e8f644f0b5befd7df750e8ea

[Rex]

99. These photos are NOT photoshopped

why can't you just accept the fact of what these kids are doing? Don't tell me you can't believe it can happen. I bet kids do this kinda thing all over the place. It is UGLY yes, but I'm not blaming the kids, I'm blaming the adults for letting them do this!

As a former teacher I am appalled by what adults allow kids to do!

[wakeme2008]

10. Kick and Nom

:)

[Wonk]

12. temporary Global Warming tangent. Could you k&r this other thread too?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1675069

2 more is all it needs as of now to hit the Greatest page. I don't normally ask for votes on my threads.

[wakeme2008]

13. good post and I nom it..

:) just did not get to it yet this early morning. :)

[Behind the Aegis]

16. If that is the most distrubing thing...then you need to rethink priorities

I have seen MUCH worse photos than this.

[CuteNFuzzy]

19. yeah

I've unfortunately come across photos of the bombs after they were dropped on civilians

[Behind the Aegis]

23. That would be more "sick" to me...but then again...

...I don't hate Israel, or any country for that matter. I hate seeing what is happening on both sides, but "signing bombs,' doesn't rank up there with "sick" shit, as far as I am concerned. Misguided and sad, yes.

[CuteNFuzzy]

25. would it seem more sick

If that bomb was dropped on the home of someone you love?

[Behind the Aegis]

28. No. The "sicker" thing would be the bomb being dropped on my loved one.

But maybe that's just me.

[TreasonousBastard]

36. Do I? War is war and...

everything dreadful happens in a war.

But there is something beyond the horror of war itself when the children are brought in this way. Besides violating our inherent obligations toward the chidren, it perpetuates the hate over generations.

Little can be worse than the effects of war on children, except perhaps using their innocence to make them willing participants.

[Behind the Aegis]

37. And?

What about the "dreadful" things directed at Israel from Arab children? Do you find them equally as disturbing?

[charlie]

39. Fer crissakes

READ!

"Sure, that sort of thing happens all the time in war, and I don't doubt the spawn of the scum of Hezbollah are doing the same thing."

[Behind the Aegis]

40. And?

Still doesn't qualify as the most disturbing thing I have seen in this conflict.

[charlie]

41. Quit ducking

You were doing one of your interrogations probing for CorrectThink. If you'd just read what he already wrote, you'd see you were hectoring him for nothing.

[Behind the Aegis]

42. And if you bothered to read what I wrote...

...you'd see that I don't find this as "disturbing" as other things, no matter if he thinks that both sides are enlisting children for propaganda. Perhaps that escaped you in your rapid defense of...nothing!

[charlie]

43. Yeah, yeah

Your cause is so important it's un-possible for you to ever make a mistake. This interlude

What about the "dreadful" things directed at Israel from Arab children? Do you find them equally as disturbing?

never happened. Somehow I'm hallucinating I can still see it above.

[Behind the Aegis]

44. Whatever...

...it is clear you have no point. Don't let that interrupt for anti-Israeli diatribe.

[charlie]

45. Have it your way Junior Inquisitor

You know what you were doing. You got caught flat-footed.

[NobleCynic]

66. Your original point was justified

This is not the single most disturbing photo to come out of this conflict. You are correct on this point.

Your lack of respect in making that point however was not justified.

[Demit]

48. You are nitpicking a rhetorical device.

[Behind the Aegis]

69. and that rhetorical device was?

[file83]

84. The rhetorical device was 'most disturbing'.

It's a phrase of choice. You are confusing that rhetorical device with other words/phrases such as "fucked up", "utterly reprehensible", "disgusting", "sad", "creepy", etc...

You get the idea.

The point is, the poster could have used any one of those "rhetorical devices" and you would have argued against it for any number of pointless reasons.

One of which seems to be that you can always think of something worse than the subject in discussion. That's a childs game.

Like some people could say that 9/11 was one of the "sickest events" in American History. But then you would come along and say, "Oh, so just forget about African Slavery! That wasn't sick at all!" or some such crap, completely missing the point and obfuscating the discussion.

[jayfish]

92. It's Usually A Right Wing Tactic...

(not claiming the BTA is a RWinger)and I see it more and more here. Rather then take on the meat of the message, the discussion is quickly pushed in the direction of semantics. I don't know if it's done on purpose or people just need literal transcriptions of everything these days. I agree with the OP, the practice is disturbing and the parents who foster this behavior should be ashamed of themselves.

Jay

[Bretttido]

107. It's distrubing and fucked up for this reason.

Parents are letting the cycle of hate continue on to a new generation as they have their kids sign bombs that will very soon be destroying lives. This is more than seeing a person destroyed by a bomb, this is seeing the hate behind those bombs... the lack of empathy as they write messages with smiles on their faces. This picture represents how a lack of empathy enables populations to kill thousands of foreigns with no remorse. It is sickening to the heart. If you don't find that sick just because it happened on the Israeli side, we cannot help you.

Oh, and just because I'm sure it will be coming, let me write the usual disclaimer since I will be taken out of context.
1) Its horrible when Israeli's die also.
2) If children in Lebanon were signing rockets / bombs, it would be equally horrible.
3) Criticism of one side does not equal praise of the other.

[The Stranger]

70. Somehow it always has to be turned into Israel-As-Victim.

Always.

[Behind the Aegis]

73. it is called "compare and contrast."

[Ravenseye]

49. How would you feel...

...if those were lebanese children signing Katyusha rockets which had already killed more than 10 times as many civilians in Israel as any Israeli retaliation had done on their country? How would you feel if Israel barely was able to defend itself and Lebanese children were writing these messages on bombs to kill Israelis, while the Lebanese army was making forays into your country and Tel Aviv was in near ruins from these bombs dropped from planes?

Would that upset you?

[LostinVA]

54. I would love to see what the poster said then

Because we know what they WOULD say.... geez -- it's disturbing and sick, and IS one of the worst things I've seen about this conflict. Whenever you see CHILDREN smiling in glee and autographing bombs to be dropped on their "enemies," (quotes because innocent Lebanese are not their enemies), that is horrible. It's very Freeper. It's very HJ. It's very, very horrifying to me... children should not be taught to hate, which is what this is. This being taught hate -- ON ALL SIDES -- has caused so much pain over in the ME.

[Behind the Aegis]

68. You don't know what I would say...so don't put words in my mouth!

This entire OP was nothing more than a devise, anti-Israeli move by the OP. The emotional plea that this was the most disturbing thing he has seen in the conflict? Fine...not me! I have seen MUCH worse! It is sad and disturbing that children are taught to hate, but I see it routinely from the other side. The damage from that indoctrination is bad, the results are worse.

[Name removed]

104. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Behind the Aegis]

67. Gee...I see it all the time.

Watch Arab TV some time. While I find it sad and highly disappointing that children are taught to hate in such a manner, it is far down on the list of the worst or most disturbing things to come out of the conflict!

[Ravenseye]

71. Well, I'm sorry do disagree, but you don't

Firstly, I didn't repeat the original poster's position. Personally the sickest picture I've seen so far was the body of a dead leabanese child, maybe two years old, laying alone on the side of a road next to a bombed out car. I never claimed this was my position, but was positing to you a separate question, to which you apparently claim you do see it all the time.

I wonder if you do see it all the time. You claim you see Israel at the mercy of a superior foreign army with Tel Aviv a bombed out ruin with 10 times as many Israeli casualties. That was the picture I created, and you claim to "see it all the time"? I'm sorry you don't. The civilians killed in any definable span of the ongoing conflict are heavily weighted towards Palestinian deaths, even when listed by Israeli sources, and as far as I'm aware Tel Aviv hasn't been a bombed out shell of a city recently.

I have a few other questions. Have you ever personally lived in a warzone? Not a place even under frequent terrorist attack, but a place where you never knew if a bomb falling from the sky was going to obliterate your entire family. Sadly in this world it's likely that you have, but I'm just curious.

Also, have you personally had family who have died during the conflict in the middle east, even going back as far as 1948, and including the terrorist attacks upon Israeli civilians as well as war actions?

[Behind the Aegis]

80. Some clarification.

I read your post (the first one) to mean how would I feel if I saw children doing the same thing (or something comparable, thus my comment about teaching children to hate), regardless of the hyperbolic hypothetical. So...even IF the roles were reversed, it STILL would NOT be the worst thing I would see from that conflict.

What I do see often (all the time is hyperbole), is Arab children in Arab countries being taught to hate Jews, to hate Israel, and the glory that is a suicide bomber, even for girls. What I see is children being indoctrinated into a culture of hate and continuing violence. To me, that is disturbing.

"Have you ever personally lived in a warzone?" No. I have always lived in the US. I have two brothers and a father who have, though. I currently have three friends who have, two in Israel, one in Beirut. What does that have to do with anything? Have you?

"Also, have you personally had family who have died during the conflict in the middle east, even going back as far as 1948, and including the terrorist attacks upon Israeli civilians as well as war actions?" ***knocking on wood*** No, I have never lost immediate family, friends, yes. Again, what does that have to do with what we are discussing? Have you?

[Ravenseye]

82. I find those disturbing as well

I remember the picture of the toddler in the full suicide bomber getup and I nearly vomited. It makes me sick to see such hate in people. That child though had that outfit foisted on him.

To see palestinian children marching in feux (or even real) suicide bomber gear, and Israeli children signing the bombs that might go and kill those children...again it makes me sick. To me the only thing sicker is actual pictures of dead civilians. Otherwise the non chalant treatment of murder on both sides is, to me, close to as horrific.

As far as my questions, I had seen a number of your posts on the subject and wondered a few times as to how close you are to the conflict. I'm an Arab of Iraqi extraction personally, though my family has many links to both Palestinians and Lebanese. I've spoken with people on both sides who are too close to the situation to discuss it rationaly. I was just sort of wondering if you were one of them. I've had Israeli's who learned I was an Arab who just turned around and walked away without a word. They weren't even willing to casually socalize with me. I've also spoken with plenty of Arabs who spewed out familiar anti-israel rhetoric, without really offering up any real solution.

Basically people on both sides have been hurt so much, to such an extent, that many of them are just beyond reasoning with. My questions were to gauge how personally you were linked in to the conflit.

To answer your questions in response, as is only fair, Yes I have lived in a warzone. Unfortunately so has most of my family at one time or another, in one aspect or another. I hadn't thought about it till you asked but I can't think of a single member of my family that hasn't, at one point or another, lived in harms way. Luckily for me my time in one was relatively short. It changed me in a way. Not knowing what was going to happen. What if one of those bombs hit the house? The powerlessness of being a civilian in harms way I think changes people. For me, it made me disgusted at any use of military force and a believer in passive resistance.

I have not lost any immediate family in the conflict involving Israel, though I have lost family in other conflicts.

Peace is the only way.

[Behind the Aegis]

83. "Peace is the only way." Seems we agree on something.

As for the toddler picture, I thought that was deemed a fake. Not that there haven't been similar things.

I appreciate you trying to get to know and understand me. I don't think the questions you asked can fully explain my closeness to the conflict. If you have been reading my posts, I usually take exception to the virulently anti-Israeli screeds (the anti-Semitic ones I just alert on). I have been raised to know about Israel. It is that connection which I have to the conflict. It is not uncommon for Jews worldwide to have the same connection, although many might not know as much about what is happening as I do, and I don't even know it all. Also, not having personal experience does hurt some, but it doesn't mean that I can't be as insightful as those directly involved.

Just as people are called terrorist supporters and apologists for primarily being supportive of the other side, we are called apologists and war-mongers for siding with Israel, even when she is wrong or goes over-board. As a pro-Israeli, I favor Israel, but it does not mean I hate the Palestinians or the Lebanese, or Arabs or Muslims, in general, despite being told here that I do. I have met pro-Palestinians who were not anti-Israel, but there are several posters here who take up the mantle of the Palestinian cause (like several in the Middle East) simply because Israel is the "enemy." Then, there are those who are simply anti-Semites, knowingly or unknowingly.

I long for the day when I can come to DU and enjoy posting in the other forums (though I still do from time to time) and not have to witness constant attacks on Israel, some deserved, many are not. I think it would be smashing to come here and see that the I/P forum is no more, not because the topic is forbidden, but because there is nothing to talk about.

I hope that explains my "dog in this fight" a little better.

[rman]

50. distrubing enough for some to think it's photoshopped

[Mr_Spock]

103. OMG! Those blown to pieces & burnt bodies are not big deal

because they do not fit into your agenda?

Disgusting, despicable and just plain wrong of you. Make me angry when I read violent posts like this here.

[Behind the Aegis]

109. .

:crazy:

[DELUSIONAL]

31. Song: Youve Got To Be Carefully Taugh

Song: Youve Got To Be Carefully Taught

Lyrics From South Pacific musical

Cable:
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/youvegottobecarefullytaught.htm

[lumpy]

123. Strange, I thought of those lyrics

from So.Pacific while reading posts about this crisis in Lebanon also.

[Clarkie1]

32. Understandable, when their homeland is under attack. They are not "sick"

Consider this:

Would WWII photos of English girls writing on English bombs headed for Germany be "sick?"

Absolutely not.

Granted, the pictures are disturbing. War is disturbing, but there is nothing particularly unusual about this. Their homeland is under attack.

[charlie]

34. Who are you talking to?

TB never called it sick.

[cali]

35. Are you fucking kidding

Just how far will you go to delude yourself? First you claim the pictures aren't real, and then you actually defend children writing on bombs. I've always thought anyone writing messages on bombs that are going to kill and destroy, is one of the sickest things imaginable. How do you feel when you see little Palestinian kids with guns or wrapped in a fake suicide vest?

[tocqueville]

47. apples and oranges again

homeland under attack ? 3 kidnapped soldiers and 1 out of 100 Katusha rocket causes some kind of damage on property or humans. Most of them end up in the sea or in empty fields. Normally it's called squirmishes. That's the "motive" to devastate a whole country with the world's most high-tech weaponry.

Besides the definition of "homeland" is different to Israel and the other side. Israel still illegally occupies territories despite several UN resolutions.

the UK replied to a war of INVASION from a country governed by thugs and with at that time the most advanced weaponry. And little girls probably didn't write on bombs.

[jonnyblitz]

55. bigotry is SICK. jews can be bigots , too.

stop being an apologist for it.

[LostinVA]

56. Yeah, I would call that sick

Especially since the bombs would probably be falling on civilian targets, much like the Nazi bombs on London. REVELING in death is always sick, no matter who does it.

[The Stranger]

72. If you don't think that is sick, then that's all I need to know about you.

Thanks nevertheless.

[nashville_brook]

74. this isn't WW2 -- these girls aren't fighting the nazis

a lot has changed. people become what they hate.

[Ariana Celeste]

86. "People become what they hate."

Truer words have never been spoken. :thumbsup:

Hatred destroys the soul.

[girl gone mad]

100. Hmmm..

What if it were the Hitler Youth smiling as they drew swastikas or wrote anti-semitic messages on bombs intended for European civilians during WWII? Would you not consider that sick?

I think that indoctrinating children to violence and all-out aggression is despicable, no matter who is doing the indoctrination. I got angry at my mother in law just for putting a Bush button on my baby during an on camera interview back in 2000. Children aren't capable of making critical, independent decisions on these matters. They should be out doing childish things, not being used as political or war props.

[Name removed]

105. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Bretttido]

108. Keep finding new ways to justify it to yourself...

And YES, it would be sick to see a picture of 8-year english girls writing on bombs that would soon be used to destroy lives. There is nothing to smile about in war, and children should not be involved. There is no benefit to such a scenario other than breeding hate and desensitizing the killing for foreigners in a far-away country.

[wtmusic]

119. ding ding ding

finally...someone gets the picture. It's sick no matter who does it.

[manic expression]

115. What? That is wrong

Their "homeland" is murdering innocent people, their "homeland" is flattening a country and bombing it into oblivion, their "homeland" has continuously oppressed and deprived entire peoples for its entire existence, their "homeland" is guilty of theft, murder, ethnic cleansing and more.

Their homeland is WRONG, their homeland is NOT defending anything.

Try seeing things for what they are instead of looking at it with an Israeli flag over your face.

[texasleo]

38. sad nt

[GeorgeGist]

46. Feel the Love...

that spawns the hatred and it will be clear, Grasshopper.

[FloridaPat]

51. Interesting the most easily one to read is in English. I'm sure every

Israeli girl would send a message to Lebannon in English first before they bother with Hebrew. That would be my first hint that somehow this picture was set up.

[michreject]

57. Why are they writting in English????....

I'd say it's a fake.

[qanda]

59. I believe it was an AP photo

Look upthread. It's not a fake.

[qanda]

60. BTW, where did you see what they were writing?

[michreject]

65. Alright, printing.............eom

[Bassic]

64. They were probably writing in English

because they knew there were american cameras about 2 feet from them and wanted the messages to be readable to more people.

[Posteritatis]

98. English is for all practical purposes Israel's third official language. nt

[lonestarnot]

58. Inculcation of the damned.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

61. Wrong, my friend

In the fascist world-state, children are to be dipped by the heels in nationalistic fervor from birth.

Those girls in the pic look, what, about 12-ish? In six years they'll be in the IDF. Mandatorily. This way, by letting them put graffiti on artillery shells now, they'll be conveniently desensitized when its their turn to pull the lanyard and put shells on babies yet unborn, and pregnant mothers now their own age.

Israel already has a refusenik problem. That problem must be stopped, lest peace break out and spoil the Ministers' and Generals' fun.

[QuettaKid]

63. the pictures are real. war is real. war is sick.

end of story.

[nashville_brook]

75. my thought exactly

it's socialization.

[Nevernose]

106. If we can only get the other side to declare peace...

...we'll all be set. I'm sure that the children of Hezbollah members have never had the chance to look at the missile launchers their parents set up in residential neighborhoods.

There are no winners on either side. Only victims.

[Pachamama]

77. This is where US support and taxpayer dollars are going?

OMG...I feel so sick...

[bloom]

79. Exactly

To some people - those bombs already have our names on them. Paid for by the USA.

[file83]

85. Those bombs are probably manufactured in Ohio or Alabama...

...and shipped straight to Israel. Seems those weapons are inflicting "mass destruction". War it seems, is not without a sense of irony.

[bloom]

78. That is exactly the kind of thing our society condemns

esp. if someone from the "other side" does it - bringing their children into the war - teaching them to love it.

It's the kind of thing that without the internet - we would have only seen from the "other side" - those things that would make the Lebanese look bad. Since our country supports this war.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1684143

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

87. "the spawn of the scum"

Is that a direct quote from one of the shells?

[mmonk]

89. As far as the picture goes,

rest assured that occurs on both sides of conflicts especially in the middle east. So it's not an Israeli thing.



Now its time for my spiel. I have been witness to a whole lot of extreme religious and ethnic bigotry, intransigence and full borne desensitized hatred and lack of empathy for suffering human beings here at DU. I just wasn't expecting it to the degree it is here and I know if it's that way here, it's worse out there in the rest of the world. For those of us who want to work for peaceful tommorrows and a more ordered world and hope for the downtrodden, this gives us little hope. I'm, under no illusion that it's not possible. I'm trying to figure out how not to give up.


peace

[Demit]

93. Know that there are others out there (and here) who feel as you do. Sad.

The ugliness that exists inside people has been let loose, in these recent years, and it seems like it has finally spread to us.

To those radicals who call themselves conservatives, who would like to see the full dismantlement of what we used to know as America, this must be very encouraging. We were looking like a movement there for awhile, but Rove and those others saw a way to drive a wedge to break us up. War war and more war. Instead of trying to be a mediating factor in this conflict they fan the flames. Didn't like that other war? How about this one, they're sitting back and thinking. They sure know how to entice the creepy crawly worst aspects of the human psyche to come out and be ugly in the full light of day. This works to their benefit. Endless war.

But there are always people who can't be drawn into the hate, who aren't going to join the others who point and scream themselves hoarse. Please don't give up, mmonk.

[mmonk]

94. Thanks

I'll keep trying. I'm heading to the beach in 2 days. Maybe that's what I need to clear my head and recharge my desire and drive.

[Pavulon]

96. Like These

PS These are googled, I do not know the politics of the source and don't endorse them

google child suicide bomber for plenty more

[oasis]

91. Wow. These are the photos that the rest of the world is seeing.(eom)

[Ignoramus]

97. "but they do it too"...

Uggh. I was already numb from this type of argument from the militarists regarding Iraq, Guantanimo etc. I'm too tired to rehash the lessons I learned in kindergarten. Now, the supposed opposition to that is repeating this same nonsense, because it's Israel that is the over dog...

[rasputin1952]

101. I can see where this is exceptionally disturbing...

those of us that have served in the military know that children are "off limits". To add children to the equation defies everything the American servicemember stands for. It is horrid that anyone has to die or be maimed in war, but when you have children involved in either the receiving end, or the delivering end, a new dimension is involved.

To me, it makes little difference if these are Israeli, Palestinian, Muslim, Jewish, Christian or any other "group" of children; to see the horror inflicted upon the innocent is is always disturbing.

What this picture does, is show us that the hatred will continue for many years to come. I can be pretty sure that Palestinian children are doing much the same thing, perhaps in a different scene, but once again, it is the continuation of the hatred that adds to the disturbing aspect of this act.

We should all be aiding in whatever way we can to alleviate the suffering and end this military action.

The cycle of hatred must be broken. It will take people from all of the aspects of this conflict to agree to break that cycle.

[Anywho6]

102. I HATE MY COUNTRY!!!!!!!

[Clarkie1]

111. Why? nt

[manic expression]

116. The US supports Israel

must I draw you a picture (if it wasn't easy enough, just look at our Congress' expression of support for this murderous rampage)?

[Anywho6]

120. Thank you, Manic! n/t

[Clarkie1]

122. What murderous rampage? nt

[Clarkie1]

110. THE TRUTH ABOUT THE PICTURES

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1689647&mesg_id=1689647

[not systems]

114. Spin, reframing and damage control...

and poorly done at that.

I'm referring to the article from your link not your post it's self.

[manic expression]

117. The truth

is that they are sick.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

118. Thank you for posting that

It speaks volumes, especially the part about how the Israelis (like us) aren't allowed to see the ultimate consequences of what's done in our name. The blogger calls that "propaganda." I call it "reality." Not showing the carnage has more to do, I suspect, with the Israeli Government's need to keep its people in the dark, just as the Bush Administration needs to keep us fat, happy and ignorant.

It would be "propaganda" if the photos were presented along with some government justification or explanation. If they're presented and allowed to speak for themselves without comment, it's "journalism."

Looks like Israel is desperately in need of some real "journalism."

[Moderator]

124. locking

bad link