If the Chinese Mafia kidnapped two American soldiers would the US start

[Toots]

bombing China? I highly doubt that would happen. I think the US would try and put diplomatic pressure upon china to try and get their release and then use elite troops SF or CIA to try and secure their release. I think for Israel to launch a full military offensive before even trying talks is way beyond appropriate. It is not in defense of their country it is vengence. Plain and Simple.

[rman]

1. Maybe if they confiscated a spy plane?

Or maybe start bombing Russia if they shoot down a spy plane?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

2. No, But China Themselves Would Do Anything They Could To Get Them Back.

I'm sure China would agressively try anything they could to resolve the situation. I haven't seen that with Lebanon in regards to He'zbolla. That is a big difference.

[Little Star]

5. That would be due to $$$$$$

China has a very different objective than Hizbullah no? Not a good analogy.

[Balbus]

9. Well, considering the original post was a ridiculous analogy

I think it was a pretty good answer.

[davekriss]

28. Are you saying that ...

...the situation, the kidnap of two soldiers, justifies displacing a half-million innocent Lebanese citizens from their homes and bombing the civilian life-supporting infrastructure into rubble? I don't think so.

[mmonk]

3. Don't underestimate the bush administration.

That being said, that's a wholly different type of situation. There's no history of ongoing conflicts between the US and China other than peripheral and the Chinese mafia wasn't formed mainly just to attack us. Also, China could launch a nuclear war.

[onenote]

4. silly analogy

unless china was on our border. How about a closer analogy. How would the US react if Cuba started lobbing missiles into downtown Miami.

[spanone]

6. With Bush* in office, probably so.

[MadHound]

7. No, of course not

And in regards to Israel, they also have a long history of negotiating prisoner exchanges with Hezbollah, Hamas and other such groups<http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4986.shtml>

However this time Israel decided to up the ante, and to let loose the dogs of war. And sadly, my guess is that after all the shooting is done, Israel will do what it should have done in the first place, negotiate a prisoner exchange.

I think that this Israeli escalation has more to do with Iran and Syria, and the PNAC plans, than with Hezbollah, the Israeli prisoners or Lebanon.

[cgrindley]

8. It's not a great comparison

1. the Chinese mafia does not have its own political party;

2. even if it did, China doesn't have a real democracy through which 46 Chinese Mafia Party candidates could be elected;

3. the US often colludes *with* China at the expense of citizens of both nations;

4. China and the US actually recognize the right for each other to "exist";

5. if the Chinese Mafia Party tried something on for size, you could be that China itself would do the bombing (especially if the UN asked it to do something about the Chinese Mafia Party's activities at least twice, although to be fair, the Chinese do have a habit of ignoring international opinion);

6. the US never gets into a fair fight.

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. It wouldn't be a fair fight. China would dream us in the manpower

dept. Although I guess we could both just go MAD.

[checkmate1947]

10. not by a long shot

does the current adminstration care about 2 citizens being kidnapped, however if it was a couple of oil rigs in the gulf you could expect open warfare.

[FSogol]

11. No, but if some Saudi Arabian youths flew a plane into a bldg, we'd

attack Iraq. True story.

[The Stranger]

12. Great analogy -- and would they bomb Beijing or the mafia headquarters?

Israel is bombing innocent civilians who have nothing to do with anyone capturing soldiers. Nothing at all.

[deaniac21]

14. I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning.

[The Stranger]

20. No, it's "Napalm."

"I love the smell of Napalm in the morning."

[deaniac21]

24. Smells like victory.

[Balbus]

15. Help me out here - which part of this analogy is great...

- The part where the Chinese Mafia's sole purpose of existence is to see the United States eradicated from the face of the earth? (no, that's not it...)

- The part where the Chinese Mafia has murdered over a 1000 U.S. citizens over the past 20 years through a series of suicide-bombers and rocket attacks? (no, not that either...)

- What about the part where the Chinese government is cowered and helpless to control the Chinese Mafia and is unable/unwilling to persuade the Chinese Mafia from their endless quest to destroy every United States man, woman and child? (nope...)

- So it must be the part where the Chinese Mafia is furnished with an endless supply of military hardware from its neighboring countries whose desire is also to see every United States man, woman and child eradicated? (nope - 4 strikes, way past being out)

[The Stranger]

19. Wrong. Let me help you out: Israel is bombing innocent people who have

nothing to do with Hezbollah.

Repeat this to yourself several times.

Now, you should be helped.

[Balbus]

26. Which post are you responding to?

Where was that analogy in the original post or my post? Read, friend, read.

Now to follow the new track that you sent this discussion into, is it your claim that Israel is targeting civilians on purpose knowing they have nothing to do with Hezbollah? Help me again since you did such a fantastic job the first attempt...

[The Stranger]

29. You tell me. How can they "target Hezbollah" and have only killed two

"Hezbollah guerrillas" out of the 200 total they had killed as of yesterday?

[rockymountaindem]

27. Likely we would bomb the mafia headquarters

If it happened to be in Beijing, that's where we would bomb.

[sandnsea]

16. If China rocketed my coastal town for 3+ years

Would y'all just tell me to move or what?

This is not about 2 soldiers.

[zbdent]

17. I find it interesting

to think about Elian Gonzalez at this time ...

How would it have gone now? I mean, essentially he was being held hostage by a foreign country, denied his familial roots ... held by "relatives" ...

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Two soldiers is the trigger point

but this started in 2000...

[Peace Patriot]

21. Good question! The point is that these are WEAK COUNTRIES, long

in the gunsights of the cowardly Bushite Neo-Cons. They had hoped by now to have the American people sufficiently propagandized and cowed, for easy invasions of Iran and Syria. It didn't work out that way. The American people are a lot better informed than people give them credit for (70% opposed to the Bush Mideast war, despite six years of 24/7 propaganda by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies); the Bushite scheme to PLANT nukes in Iraq, after the invasion, was foiled (I'm pretty sure that's what's at the bottom of Plamegate), giving the lie to the justifications for war and for a huge, expensive, inflammatory U.S. military presence in the Middle East, and the rest of the world has also given a "thumbs down" on Bush's war. We're looking at Plan B. Get Israel to do it.

As for the provocations--such as the capture of Israeli soldiers: a) provocations can be arranged by means of corruption and infiltration; and b) war profiteers and extremists on both sides benefit from war, carnage and chaos.

If you consciously, deliberately create, or aggravate, a highly explosive situation, SOMETHING ALWAYS comes along that requires yet more EXPENSIVE bombs and bullets and other military items, and that ignites the random carnage of war. Always.

That's what the Bushites have done. Israel is their proxy. And anyone who thinks that the current, expanded war is going to make Israel "safe," or who thinks that the Bush Cartel GIVES A GODDAMN about Israel, is a bloody fool.

[Joe Fields]

22. Bad analogy. It could only apply, if.....

China was our neighbor to the north, instead of Canada, and only if the Chinese mafia had made repeated terrorist attacks against the U.S., and if the Chinese mafia had a stated intention of doing away with all Israelis.

Only then might your argument hold up.

[Peace Patriot]

23. What the hell is this ad doing on a DU page? "Reason to Hate the French"

At the top of this page:

"Reason to Hate the French
"Everything you'll ever need to know
and be appalled to learn about France
"http://50reasonstohatetheFrench.com"

DU MONITORS!! EXPLAIN! Get hate ads OUT OF DU, NOW! This is disgusting!

[ladjf]

25. Only if they were in need of a pretext.