The evacuations from lebanon are yet another screw

[nadinbrzezinski]

up from the administration

Now they look at everything politically... and here is where they are making a huge mistake

Yes they messed Katrina ROYALLY, but those were Poor people (not that this was horrible ok, for it was) but from their perspective
them poor people don't vote and don't matter.

Ok who are some of the people trapped in Lebanon:

Rutgers University Students, some of them well connected and ahem RICH.

Who are other of those people trapped?

Oh yes the relatives of a CNN correspondent...

See where I am leading with this? for a group that thinks of everything in political terms and how to take advantage, they just alienated people who have money
who have connections and WHO EXPECT their government to snap to it when they need help. Never mind that they deserve as much help as the people in the Gulf Coast.

This is gonna come back to byte them, royally. You watch.

[oasis]

1. Katrina II.

This could be it for the Chimp.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. This may actually lay the ground work for impeachment

Why? Who has the money and is in Lebanon.

I hate to say it, but this may be it, ESPECIALLY if any of these well connected people dies.

[oasis]

3. Private corporate planes got most of the big shots out already. IMO.

Bush will catch it from the media for letting Americans remain stranded while other nations rescued their citizens.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Private planes DID NOT, I repeat DID NOT

get in... so no, they got trapped with the rest of them. By the by, the Reutgers students were not evaced by our government but the French... that will go well

[oasis]

5. The corporate media's saying that only 10,000 of the 25,000 U.S. citizens

want to leave. :eyes:

[Solo_in_MD]

6. Leaving brings its own risks. I might be tempted to stay

depending on the circumstances.

[oasis]

7. Looks like a ghost town. What government or private services could

be available? Too many hardships already and more on the horizon. I wouldn't think 15,000 Americans would want to hang around in deteriorating conditions.

[Solo_in_MD]

8. I am suspicious of the count and who was counted

If it were 25,000 tourists, you are quite right. First time scrambled eggs are not available via room service or Starbucks is not open right on time they would be out of there. However, many seem to have local ties of some sort. That really changes the equation. Also most Americans do not register with the local consulate when they arrive. The number is a WAG at best.

Best judge of who wants out would be who has called the embassy or has already left. That number seems to be hovering around 10,000. Again, no word if someone actually did a tally at the embassy.

Again, I am not sure I really believe any of the number being thrown around, and I would bet seriously that most of those who are there will end up remaining for one reason or another. Hopefully they will all survive well and without incident

[oasis]

9. Don't be surprised if a few survivors begin making the rounds on t.v.

talks shows.

[opihimoimoi]

11. Them Pubs sure know how to fuck things up so bad its called a Cluster Fuck

[Solo_in_MD]

16. I seen that, but I am not sure that given te circumstances any administrat

could do mych better WRT an evac

[undergroundpanther]

13. Already are

They had a maryland family on TV

[SensibleAmerican]

12. Have any Americans died?

I doubt you can honestly call the evacuation a screw up until that happens.

[opihimoimoi]

10. Yesterday, cnn reported some choppers saved 87 peeps...9,913 to go

Heckofajob bushie

[Full Metal]

14. mosh?

Ya I'm new how do I start a new thread? Thanx in advance.

Oh, and damn the man save the republic.

[RebelOne]

21. Just exit from this thread and hit the post link at the top of page.

[oasis]

23. The corporate media is reporting that only 5,000 U.S. citizens want to

leave out of that hell hole. Only 5,000 out of 25,000.

Yeah right. :eyes:

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. The important people were probably evacuated before this started

That's what happened in Grenada. I knew one of the med student down there. His daddy was a US Senator. He got warned a week before the invasion that it was time to go. However, the rest of the students were not warned because the US needed pawns for their little intervention.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. This is NOT a US Operation

If you think Americans are paranoid about OPSec, you have not met many israelis.

For all of those who believe the IDF is doing the bidding of the US, I have news for you... they are not... they are actually following their own orders and plans

If this incidentally helps the Neocons, that is a whole different story altogether... so if you beleive the israeli Government gave any warnings to the US, I have a bridge to sell you with sea front property in arizona

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. LOL, tell Bush that

Since he's the one who claims to have given the Israelis a week to do whatever they want.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. I know Israelis

and I tell you Bush is full of it... full of it.

[Gormy Cuss]

18. Minor point - Rutgers is the state U of NJ

Their students are not necessarily well connected nor rich.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. It is considered a top college

and students who go on foreign travels tend to be

You watch... the point is these are not the poor, but people who have money and whose anger is going to translate to soething ugly

Not that katrina will not either... it will in a different fashion, like the great flood of '27... but that one will be harder to spot for the people in power, and harder to quantify for historians and socilogoists in the short term.

[Igel]

24. I'm going to guess a few Title VI people are there under

Rutgers' aegis--some may not even be Rutger's students during the year. Some with SSRC money, or other extramural funds. I can't really imagine paying for something like that, except for incidentals.

Rutgers really isn't greatly prestigious; it's a solid school, but that's about it. Did research there late one spring not too many years back, not a whole lot of rich kids in evidence. If they're at all smart, they go elsewhere. For prestige, there's Princeton, just down the street.

I went to UCLA for grad school, also a reasonably good school, and very much so in my discipline. I wasn't rich, but since I wasn't poor before I started college I got loans, no grants. But still I did two stints overseas studying during the summer. Neither time was I there on my own dime.