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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:36 PM
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Do you think rich GOP'ers would use stem cell medicines if they were ill?
You can bet your last dollar that the GOP Congress persons that voted against the latest stem cell bill will be first in line to receive the benefits of the research if they become deathly ill. For most of them, they know that they are just a short flight away from other countries that do allow stem cell research and stem cell derived treatment options. I can also predict that it won't be many years when one of these Congress persons is exposed for doing just that!
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HopeFor2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:37 PM
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1. Sure, but the issue is used to rally the religious base
Not the rich GOP'ers who never seem to be held accountable for their actions anyway.
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:05 PM
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16. Believe Me
The religious base would use it asap!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:38 PM
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2. Santorum got asked this morning if he would forswear any cure
generated by stem cell research but didn't answer.
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:00 PM
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14. That is a brilliant question, ask it to anyone who is against SS research
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:39 PM
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3. When the Dems take over
and they pass this legislation finally, I do not think any Repukes should be allowed to benefit from the research. If you are a Repuke with Parkinson's Disease, too bad for you. That is just the way I feel since they have delayed scientific advances with their self-righteousness. BTW, I am a Christian and I feel those embryos should be used to help the living.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:39 PM
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4. They'd rip the heart out of the neighbor kid to save their sorry
asses.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:41 PM
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6. LOL!
Graphic, but it certainly describes many of them to a tee. Cheers!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:41 PM
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5. It's not the rich GOPers who oppose stem cell research.
It's the fundie wack jobs who view stem cell research as a tacit approval of, or a slippery slope towards, abortion. And since the fundie wack jobs form a big part of the GOP's fanatical, immovable base (does anyone else think it ironic that "al Qaeda" is Arabic for "the base"?), they have to do some serious pandering to keep the 23% backwash, dead-enders coming to the polls (they won't vote for Democrats, but if they are alienated they'll stay home). The rich GOPers can afford to go elsewhere to get top-notch medical treatment so they won't care about Americans doing stem-cell research as long as they can get it elsewhere and get their tax breaks.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:41 PM
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7. Well hypocrisy
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 07:42 PM by Raine
doesn't apply to them so of course they would. :eyes:

EDIT: added smiley
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:42 PM
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8. Does an elephant shit in the rain forrest?
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:49 PM
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9. Of course they would. That's why I want to see a permanent mark
on everybody's medical records stating if they oppose or support stem cell research. If they oppose it, they don't get any treatment that the research has created.

And for those who think this is a hard line, members of my family have died waiting for this research, which 'Christian' neo cons have been blocking for years. Since I watched members of my family suffer and die, I have NO sympathy or empathy for a repuke in this instance.
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:54 PM
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10. The rich just go where the cure is they don't let boundaries restrict them
n/t
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:54 PM
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11. Any one will. Count on it.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:58 PM
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12. Why Are You Even Pretending That They're Doing This For Any Other Reason
than politics?

Everyone knows the only reason they vote against it is because of politics and not true personal beliefs. Implying that they are hypocrites just feeds into the impression that they truly believe and have these values they spew but would abandon them if they required it for themselves. But that's a false argument because we all know that the only reason they do it is to play up to their political base. So don't give credence to their illusion of values but instead just call it like it is: They are only doing it for sheer political reasons.

But then we all already know that.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:59 PM
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13. Yes, they will. And they already do this ALL the time...
"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"

When the Anti-Choice Choose

By Joyce Arthur

Copyright © September, 2000

Abortion is a highly personal decision that many women are sure they'll never have to think about until they're suddenly faced with an unexpected pregnancy. But this can happen to anyone, including women who are strongly anti-choice. So what does an anti-choice woman do when she experiences an unwanted pregnancy herself? Often, she will grin and bear it, so to speak, but frequently, she opts for the solution she would deny to other women -- abortion.

In the spring of 2000, I collected the following anecdotes directly from abortion doctors and other clinic staff in North America, Australia, and Europe. The stories are presented in the providers' own words, with minor editing for grammar, clarity, and brevity. Names have been omitted to protect privacy.

"I have done several abortions on women who have regularly picketed my clinics, including a 16 year old schoolgirl who came back to picket the day after her abortion, about three years ago. During her whole stay at the clinic, we felt that she was not quite right, but there were no real warning bells. She insisted that the abortion was her idea and assured us that all was OK. She went through the procedure very smoothly and was discharged with no problems. A quite routine operation. Next morning she was with her mother and several school mates in front of the clinic with the usual anti posters and chants. It appears that she got the abortion she needed and still displayed the appropriate anti views expected of her by her parents, teachers, and peers." (Physician, Australia)

"I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, 'You're not going to tell them, are you!?' When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn't want this to interfere with it." (Physician, Texas)

"In 1990, in the Boston area, Operation Rescue and other groups were regularly blockading the clinics, and many of us went every Saturday morning for months to help women and staff get in. As a result, we knew many of the 'antis' by face. One morning, a woman who had been a regular 'sidewalk counselor' went into the clinic with a young woman who looked like she was 16-17, and obviously her daughter. When the mother came out about an hour later, I had to go up and ask her if her daughter's situation had caused her to change her mind. 'I don't expect you to understand my daughter's situation!' she angrily replied. The following Saturday, she was back, pleading with women entering the clinic not to 'murder their babies.'" (Clinic escort, Massachusetts)

More:
http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html


Also, there was a news article somewhere about a "pro-life" couple who went to China or someplace for a quack medical treatment that used FETAL stem cells.

Not Embryonic stem cells-- but cells from an actual, breathing FETUS.





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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:01 PM
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15. They'd use the latest stem cell technology, smoke pot, and sacrifice
someone elses first born child if they thought it would do them any good.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:09 PM
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17. Didn't some anti-abortion wingnut get his daughter an abortion?
and his justification was that it was legal?

So, I think that answers your question on stem cells.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:31 PM
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18. Of Course They Would
Of course they would. I have no doubt that rich GOPsters would be more than willing to patronize offshore clinics that do use stem cell-derived medical treatments. Thank heavens that international air travel is still so easy these days--at least if you have money and are considered politically reliable.

:sarcasm:
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